What do you call a 40-year-old man who has sex with a 13-year-old girl?

Answer: A Planned Parenthood customer.

A dirty little secret known by sexual perverts is that Planned Parenthood will help them conceal child sexual abuse from law enforcement – and all it takes is cash. Planned Parenthood knowingly and willingly helps pedophiles to conceal their crimes by quietly disposing of 'the evidence'. If you want proof of this for yourself, then visit PlannedParenthoodExposed where the evidence is posted for public review.

Thanks to Planned Parenthood the adult men who prey on underage girls are able to conceal their crimes and, therefore, they can continue to their sexual exploitation of minors. Whether it’s a 78-year-old man who is having sex with a 10-year-old (this case occurred in CT) or a 34-year-old sexually abusing his fiancee’s 12-year-old daughter despite her twice becoming pregnant (the same clinic helped him both times), sexual predators know that ‘confidential’ abortions, birth control, etc. are available to help them conceal their crimes.

With the help of taxpayer dollars, Planned Parenthood promotes their services – claiming to be concerned about the welfare of women, even while they ‘look the other way’ when it comes to men sexually abusing the girls who will grow up to be the women of tomorrow. Perhaps before they give Planned Parenthood any more money, Congress should question some Planned Parenthood workers about this under oath…? Is this too much to ask or has adult-child sex become politically correct enough to deserve government support?

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The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God...

Edited: 04/12/2005 at 10:29 AM by whosays

I found the following article just the other day.... please read...

www.bostonmagazine.com/ArticleDisplay.php?id=495

Here is a portion of it....

Confessions of an Abortion Doctor
by (As told to) Cheryl Alkon
From the December 2004 issue.

Ten years ago this month, John Salvi sprayed bullets into two Brookline abortion clinics, killing two people and wounding five. Since then, the number of doctors willing to perform abortions has dwindled, increasing the workload for those remaining. One local obstetrician and gynecologist, whose clinic asked that she withhold her name for safety reasons, now performs as many as 10 abortions a day, twice a week.

One morning years ago, when I was working as a resident, a nurse brought me in to talk to a pregnant girl. When I walked into the room, there was this child -- an 11-year-old. She had come in for a procedure, and it soon became obvious that she had no understanding of sex -- she didn't really understand that she'd even had it, or that it had any connection to her pregnancy. We literally had to teach this girl about what it means to have sex -- about STDS, abstinence, and pregnancy. I remember thinking: In a world where people don't want kids to learn about these things, how can you not give them the choice to terminate a pregnancy? Even if she had chosen to continue the pregnancy and opt for adoption, what would that have done to her own childhood? How can we not provide a child with any education about sex, then force her to become a parent long before she's ready?


According to the article, we do not know if the 11-year old was abused, and I  know this isn't exactly about Planned Parenthood, but it makes me wonder if the child abuse cover-up is happening in all abortion clinics.

You all need to read the complete article.

Hope I didn't change the subject.

First of all prolifers don't force people to be parents -- they already are.  Interesting how this person thinks murdering the girl's baby and performing the most traumatizing procedure ever on an eleven year old is a better option that respond with love to the eleven year old and the baby.

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The rights of children as individuals begin while yet they remain the fetus-- Victoria Woodhull, U.S.'s first female presidential candidate, 1870
1994 study in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute found: "Among women who had been pregnant at least once, the risk of breast cancer in those who had experienced an induced abortion was 50% higher than among other women."

Edited: 01/06/2005 at 09:54 AM by shiprah

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"... we do not know if the 11-year old was abused..."
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"... it makes me wonder if the child abuse cover-up is happening in all abortion clinics..."

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First off, on the first point, you are dead wrong. We DO know that the 11-year-old was abused! Even if the 11-year-old willingly took her panties off in exchange for a candy bar or a toy, it is still child abuse. We need to understand that the fact that physical power or threats of harm was not use to "force" the child to do this against her will has NOTHING to do with violating the law against child sexual abuse. Of course these things ARE child abuse, but so are ALL cases where an adult seduces, convinces or otherwise induces a child to agree to participation in sexual activity.

In America, no matter which state one is in, no child can legally "consent" to sexual activity - which is why this is a criminal act and violates the child abuse laws in every state, EVERY time it occurs.

Now, on your second point, YES... non Planned Parenthood abortion clinics are also knowingly and willingly covering-up cases child sexual abuse all across this country. As shown on PlannedParenthoodExposed.com, over 90% of the clinics in this country are doing this (and those are just the ones that got caught). This is a HUGH CASH COW for the abortion industry and they have every intention of protecting these men because sexual predators provide a revenue stream that enriches them - but only so long as they help these child molestors remain undetected by law enforcement so they can stay out of jail and remain free to continue their sexual abuse of children.  

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Edited: 01/06/2005 at 10:54 AM by whosays

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Originally posted by: mom2 "... we do not know if the 11-year old was abused..."  and "... it makes me wonder if the child abuse cover-up is happening in all abortion clinics..."

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First off, on the first point, you are dead wrong. We DO know that the 11-year-old was abused! Even if the 11-year-old willingly took her panties off in exchange for a candy bar or a toy, it is still child abuse. We need to understand that the fact that physical power or threats of harm was not use to "force" the child to do this against her will has NOTHING to do with violating the law against child sexual abuse. Of course these things ARE child abuse, but so are ALL cases where an adult seduces, convinces or otherwise induces a child to agree to participation in sexual activity. In America, no matter which state one is in, no child can legally "consent" to sexual activity - which is why this is a criminal act and violates the child abuse laws in every state, EVERY time it occurs.   

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However, we don't know if the eleven year old had sex with an adult.  She could have had sex with another eleven year old meaning it wasn't child abuse.  I know this sounds improbable, but my grandma just retired from teaching in one of our city's poorest school districts, and believe me, its not uncommon for extremely young kids to engage in sexual acts.

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The rights of children as individuals begin while yet they remain the fetus-- Victoria Woodhull, U.S.'s first female presidential candidate, 1870
1994 study in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute found: "Among women who had been pregnant at least once, the risk of breast cancer in those who had experienced an induced abortion was 50% higher than among other women."

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First off, on the first point, you are dead wrong. We DO know that the 11-year-old was abused!  

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The abortionist simply did not tell us.  I can't put words in the article and I didn't say that I didn't think she wasn't abused.  Yes, more than likely she was but as shiprah said, there are young children having sex all the time with other young children.

Regardless, what is abusive is that children are not educated on sex.  It's really hard to swallow the fact that we should be teaching and telling our children about sex at such a young age, but we need to.  

If PP and other clinics were to report child abuse - well, then part of their clients would be gone. It's awful and sickening.

In my state, which received an "F" on abortion laws, a minor must have a parent accompany them for the abortion.  Now, what I see can be a problem with that is .... a young girl, say around 15 comes in for an abortion... the man with her could be around 40 years old or younger and "pose" as her father. Instant cover up.  I would say it happens and has happened more than we want to know.

 

It is truly sickening that the same people who claim that they are so feminist seem to think that abortion is going to solve the problem of teenage pregnancies, instead of dealing with the actual issues.  I read a statistic recently that over 3/4 of all teenage pregnancies occurred when the biological father was over 21.  This is just horrifying to me, that men in their 20s and 30s are out there seducing 13 and 14 year olds and as a society we do NOTHING except offer to kill the ensuing children.

I have spent a lot of time trying to help out a friend who's 5 year-old daughter is being sexually abused by her biological father on visits, and I find it very ironic that the so-called liberal judge didn't even want to see the evidence in court. 

Yes young girls need to be educated about sex as soon at they are old enough to talk.  They need to be told to stay the heck away from men and never be alone with a boy at all.  It's a sad world when it comes to that but you have to protect your daughters at all costs.  I'm not surprised at all that abortion mills cover up rape, and yet they use that as an excuse for abortion.  They are doing absolutely nothing to combat rape or rapists.  That is NOT feminist.

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I have never seen any group support infanticide AFTER birth more than the "pro-choice" advocates.

Want proof?
Check this out:

http://gargaro.com/newsquotes.html

I just recently saw a news story about a prostitute who turned in her "john" She was at his home doing what prostitutes do and saw videos of him on his computer having sex with A 2 YEAR OLD!! I also recently heard that in Africa tribal doctors have told men that if they have sex with a virgin they will not get AIDS. So in order to ensure they have sex with a virgin men have begun raping 5 MONTH OLD GIRLS!! I cannot tell you how sick to my stomach this makes me.

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Mandi

When a woman exercises her right to control her own body in total disregard of the body of a human being, it is called abortion. When a man acts out the same philosophy, it is called rape.

"There is a perfectness inside you....sleeping underneath your skin..." Adam Duritz

Africa is a huge continent, and while some tribal doctors have said this, it is very rare for this to happen and is by no means tradition.  This advice is no more indicative of normal African culture than the advice offered by the most perverted of western doctors.  My mom has a degree in black studies and I can assure you, in Africa, rape is a sexual taboo.

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The rights of children as individuals begin while yet they remain the fetus-- Victoria Woodhull, U.S.'s first female presidential candidate, 1870
1994 study in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute found: "Among women who had been pregnant at least once, the risk of breast cancer in those who had experienced an induced abortion was 50% higher than among other women."

Edited: 01/10/2005 at 09:33 PM by shiprah

Thank you for that perspective shiprah! It is still hard to stomach this happening to even 1 child. I completely agree that every society has their weirdos.....Lord knows we have plenty of them in the USA who think of horrible ways to torture our children.

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Mandi

When a woman exercises her right to control her own body in total disregard of the body of a human being, it is called abortion. When a man acts out the same philosophy, it is called rape.

"There is a perfectness inside you....sleeping underneath your skin..." Adam Duritz

Men don't usually rape very very young girls.  It isn't until they are about 5 or 6 that they are even able to.  My friend's daughter told me her dad tried and it wouldn't fit.  I hugged her and tried to hold my tears back for later because I didn't want to scare her.  When she went home I cried for a long time.  It was the hardest thing in the world not to show up to court with a gun and blow the pervert away.  Trying to be Christ-like.

As far as I know the abuse is still going on despite several attempts by the girl's mother and several witnesses to put the guy in jail.  I would appreciate prayer for her from anyone who prays at all.

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I have never seen any group support infanticide AFTER birth more than the "pro-choice" advocates.

Want proof?
Check this out:

http://gargaro.com/newsquotes.html


Edited: 01/11/2005 at 09:38 AM by Christian4life

Come on folks, get real! What is rape anyway? I’m not surprised by the ignorance regarding the legal category of rape, because I too was ignorant until I was educated about this. Sadly, it's this sort of ignorance of the facts that allows the abortion industry to get away with so much. Let me give an example to make the point clear.

A 14-year-old girl is brought into the emergency room with suspicious bruises. Her mother says she tripped and fell down the stairs. Her father says she tripped and fell down the stairs. She says he tripped and fell down the stairs and that her 14-year-old boy friend can verify this. Guess what? All of that means nothing. The medical personnel at the hospital will still report it to the police or child protective services for investigation because medical workers are not empowered to investigate. It is the job of the designated law enforcement agency to determine if this story is true or if was concocted to conceal a case of child abuse.

A 14-year-old girl is brought into an abortion clinic for an abortion. Her mother says she had sex with a 14-year-old boy. Her father says she had sex with a 14-year-old boy. The girl says she had sex with a 14-year-old boy and he can verify this. Guess what? UNDER THE LAW all of that means nothing! UNDER THE LAW all medical personal are required to report evidence of POTENTIAL child abuse – they are not empowered to investigate. It is the job of the state’s designated law enforcement agency to investigate to determine if this story is true – or if it was actually concocted to conceal a case of incest (to protect uncle Joe, cousin Freddie or a step-dad who ‘made a mistake’ because he had too much to drink) or to prevent embarrassment because the parents are ‘swingers’ who found out that one of their overnight guests stole away for a little fun with their daughter after the orgy wound down, etc. Wake up people! For goodness sakes, we’ve seen stories of parents caught selling their own children for sexual services over the Internet – how do you think adult-child gets covered up when the girls involved get pregnant?

Now allow me to correct the point of ignorance – NO CHILD CAN CONSENT TO SEX.

Under the law NO CHILD CAN CONSENT TO SEX. Therefore, IN EVERY CASE SEX WITH A MINOR IS A CASE OF STATUTORY RAPE. It’s statutory rape a minor girl has sex with uncle Joe, the soccer coach, the social studies teacher, her step-dad or her mom’s house guest. And it’s still statutory rape if she had sex with 12-year-old Tommy – but in this case, Tommy has an automatic defense under the law - his age - and he will not be prosecuted. (Rape is the way that the law classifies it, because by definition non-consensual sex is rape. While the age set out by law for minors varies from state to state, every state has laws establishing an age defining a child and below which the child can not legally give their consent.)

Adults who have sex with children will want to cover these things up and that is the reason that the states have designate agencies that are supposed to investigate where there is EVIDENCE OF POTENTIAL CHILD ABUSE – in order to catch the adult predators that seek to have sex with minors. However, if everyone is wants to let abortion providers like Planned Parenthood get away with pretending that every underage girl is pregnant by a same-age classmate, then we are throwing open the doors to legalized adult-on-child sex – which by the way PP does promote.

Anyone stupid enough to argue that a minor girl can "consent" to sex, so this is not rape, has to explain why a 12-year-old girl can "consent" to sex with her 11-year-old classmate, but she can’t then also "consent" to sex with the 75-year-old man who she also likes (and why she can’t "consent" when it comes to contracts, tobacco, liquor, etc.).

Like it or not, if there is an underage girl having sex it’s ALWAYS RAPE. And THAT, my friends, is why ANY EVIDENCE OF A MINOR BEING SEXUALLY ACITVE IS EVIDENCE OF POTENTIAL CHILD ABUSE THAT MUST BE REPORTED by medical workers, teachers, and any others that are required to do so under their state’s laws. Again, NO STATE says medical workers get to determine which cases ought to be investigated and which ones don’t need to be investigated. When evidence raises a suspicion of potential abuse, the law says that always has to be reported to a designated agency that CAN investigate the facts and send sexual predators to jail when the fact reveal a case of adult-on-child sex.

That’s our system. If you’ve got a better way to protect children, then let all 50 state legislatures know about it. Until then the best way to protect children from sexual predators (Internet or otherwise) is to get these pedophiles off the streets and keep them in jail where they belong.

Lastly, remember the pro-choice position is the "right to choose" – which includes not only the right to chose to kill the baby but the right to choose to have sex to make the baby in the first place. Which is why they will help conceal cases like the 10-year-old girl who "consents" to sex with a 75-year-old man, a 12-year-old who "consents" to sex with her mother’s 34-year-old fiancée and the 14-year-old who "consents" to trade sex for drugs. But the TRUTH is that they make money by helping to conceal the sexual activity of minors – so no questions can ever be asked (& to hell with the law)!

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The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God...

Edited: 01/11/2005 at 11:49 AM by whosays

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 Anyone stupid enough to argue that a minor girl can "consent" to sex, so this is not rape, has to explain why a 12-year-old girl can "consent" to sex with her 11-year-old classmate, but she can’t then also "consent" to sex with the 75-year-old man who she also likes (and why she can’t "consent" when it comes to contracts, tobacco, liquor, etc.). Like it or not, if there is an underage girl having sex it’s ALWAYS RAPE.

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So if a twelve year old girl has consensual sex with an eleven year old boy, he raped her because he's the male child?  She's older.  Why isn't she the rapist?  Two minors having sex isn't necessarily rape.  It's rape when an adult sleeps with a child because the adult is older, bigger, smarter, a person of authority, and has taken advantage of the situation.


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The rights of children as individuals begin while yet they remain the fetus-- Victoria Woodhull, U.S.'s first female presidential candidate, 1870
1994 study in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute found: "Among women who had been pregnant at least once, the risk of breast cancer in those who had experienced an induced abortion was 50% higher than among other women."

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Two minors having sex isn't necessarily rape. It's rape when an adult sleeps with a child because the adult is older, bigger, smarter, a person of authority, and has taken advantage of the situation.

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If a child is unable to consent to sex because of his/her age, then any sex that child has is rape, be it boy or girl. It works both ways.

An underaged child can't be charged with rape in most cases, because of their age. So it's only when one of the sexual partners is above the age of consent (and the other is below that age) that charges can be filed.

But until it is know positively who the sexual partner of an underaged child is, and what the age of that partner is (man or woman), there is a reasonable suspicion that the child has been raped by someone over the age of consent.



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“The purpose of civil government is to protect life; abandon that, and you have abandoned all.”-Thomas Jefferson." http://www.abortionknoxville.com

Maafa21 Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLnNi_qb7nY

I think the confusion here is that we're playing with two defnitions of rape, the legal definition and the definition of common usage. 

In legal terms, rape is simply non-consensual sex.  Because consent is a function of legal status, no one is capable of consent until they reach the age of majority.  Keep in mind, this is a protection of rights more than it is a scientific statement of development.  So, according ot the law all underage sex is non-consensual and therefore rape, even if both parties aren't consenting, but are actively pursueing the behavior.  (i.e. two minors in the back seat of a car)

On the other hand, the common use definition of rape is forced sex.  It has to due more with the actor than with the victim.  Under this definition, unlike the legal definition, you can't accidentally rape someone.  You have to deliberatley force or coerce someone to have sex.  Under the common use of the term, it is possible for two minors to agree to have sex without it being rape -- If they both agree, there is no rapist and therefore no rape.  I think some minors are probably cognitively able to consent to sex -- and they should be punished and held accountable for having sex outsdie of marriage just like other adults should be. 

The problem with teenage sex is not that it is "rape," but that it is fornication.  If two sixteen year-olds are mature enough to decide to get married, then by all means they can consent to having sex.  On the other hand, consent isn't really the issue -- two "consenting" thirty year-olds who aren't married is just as damaging to society as two consenting teens. 



Edited: 01/11/2005 at 01:49 PM by BorisBadanov

It doesn't matter if it's a 12 year old girl who swears up and down she only had sex with a 12 year old boy, they still have to report it. 

Health professionals (which they claim to be) are mandatory reporters.  Mandatory reporters (I know because I was one in several of my previous volunteer and paid positions) are just that, MANDATORY REPORTERS.  If you even remotely SUSPECT that a child is being abused in any way YOU ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO REPORT YOUR SUSPICIONS. Period.

Whether that 12 year old is lying or telling the truth is not for Planned Parenthood to say.  THAT IS FOR THE AUTHORITIES TO DECIDE.  If they do not report her pregnancy AT LEAST to social services, if not to the police THEY ARE DELIBERATELY VIOLATING THE LAW. 

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I have never seen any group support infanticide AFTER birth more than the "pro-choice" advocates.

Want proof?
Check this out:

http://gargaro.com/newsquotes.html

I don't doubt that any underage girl coming to an abortion clinic should be investigated.  I'm just saying that if two twelve year olds decide to have sex, yes, it's wrong, but they didn't just rape each other.

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The rights of children as individuals begin while yet they remain the fetus-- Victoria Woodhull, U.S.'s first female presidential candidate, 1870
1994 study in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute found: "Among women who had been pregnant at least once, the risk of breast cancer in those who had experienced an induced abortion was 50% higher than among other women."

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So if a twelve year old girl has consensual sex with....

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There is no such thing. Under our present law no person can't "consent" to be someone else's slave, and no minor can "consent" to sex - no more than they can "consent" to being beaten. You can call it anything you like, but the law calls it rape (that is non-consensual sex) because CHILDREN CANNOT LEGALLY "CONSENT" TO SEX AND THEREFORE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CHILDREN HAVING CONSENSUAL SEX.

Moreover, if a minor can "consent" to sex with another minor, then that minor can "consent" to sex with an adult, unless you are seriously suggest that our legislators rewrite every single one of the laws against statutory rape to say that a 10-year-old can "consent" to sex with a 10-year-old but not with a 15-year-old or a 50-year-old. All such non-sense would only serve to put the children in harm's way more than they already are now.

Pretending that we should ASSUME that children are having sex with children is a dangerous game - especially when the report posted on www.ChildPredators.com shows that in America today, a junior high school girl is more likely to become pregant by an adult than by a boy her own age. Like it or not THAT is the truth. 

I say, err on the side of protecting children FROM bad choices don’t facilitate children making (and continuing to make) bad choices by letting abortion clinics sell ‘confidential’ services to minors (under the guise of protecting the minor) when that 'confidentiality' always serves to conceal the child's involvement with an activity that they cannot legally consent to participate in to begin with. 

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The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God...

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I think the confusion here is that we're playing with two defnitions of rape, the legal definition and the definition of common usage.

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“The purpose of civil government is to protect life; abandon that, and you have abandoned all.”-Thomas Jefferson." http://www.abortionknoxville.com

Maafa21 Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLnNi_qb7nY

Actually it's not. The classification of a sexual intercourse as either statutory rape or physically-forced rape only comes up as a derivative issue. The primary issue is a question of CONSENT.

Consent IS the issue. Can we EVER say that a child is able/allowed to give its "consent" to sex? If so, in those cases, the idea of rape as either a legal or a force issue will never even come up. It is ALWAYS AND ONLY after the issue of NON-CONSENT has been raised that we look to the classify a sexual act as rape - legal or otherwise.

So, again, keep your eye on the ball. The question is CONSENT. Are underage children in America going to be allowed to "consent" to have sex with others or not? And if not, then in those cases where underage children do participate in sexual acts EVERY STATE'S LAWS on manditory reporting applies to abortion. This is because, since the child cannot "consent" to sex, EVERY instance of an underage girl being pregnant/seeking an abortion (or seeking a pregnancy test or seeking birth control or needing treatment for a sexually transmitted disease) is EVIDENCE that the child is involved in an UNLAWFUL activity and inorder to PROTECT THEM from the consequences of their bad decisions a decent society doesn't help children conceal and continue their participation in such acts. This is why ALL such cases need to be reported so that the state's designated agency can investigate and then act to protect the child in cases where the other person involved is an adult - which is why we prosecute these adults and label them such things as pedophiles, perverts, sexual predators and child molesters.

But, IF an underage girl can "consent" to sex, then when she "consents" to sex with a 50-year-old child molester  - WHO DOESN"T USE PHYSICAL FORCE, then - as stated in an earlier post on this topic - all of the statutory rape laws that have been written to protect underage girls from such men are worthless. 

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The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God...

Edited: 01/12/2005 at 03:59 PM by whosays