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Robert Ferguson

Robert Ferguson II


I wonder if the Robert Ferguson here is the same Robert Ferguson that I found elsewhere on the internet?

Edited: 11/10/2006 at 05:28 PM by thecatholicamerican

One should never be cavalier about taking life, or starting a war. The declaration of independance says that we tolerate evils while evils are tolerable, but when a government becomes despotic, we the people have the right and the duty to throw it off. If the government sanctioned and protected act of killing womb children is not despotism, and evil at it's worse, then nothing is. Just as the justification of slavery rested upon the denial of personhood to the enslaved, our little citizens in the womb are denied the same. Pro-life has made the same mistake we made in Viet Nam. We have drawn a line we won't go past, and refuse to take this enemy out completely. Every time a clinic goes down in flames, insurance premiums go up and put others out of business. Everytime a baby assasin is forced to not kill children by a 12 gage, many other's select a new career path. When this country went to war for independance, it was by the minority, most thought it wrong to rebel against the governing authority. The "rebel" leaders all had prices on their heads, and a noose if caught. That was over taxes. Our forefathers popped a whole lot of red coats over the price of a tea bag. I guess a tea bag is worth more than a womb child.

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I've followed the links. I saw the Army of God link to "the official" Paul Hill website. The website has Paul Hill telling us why it is justifiable to gun down an abortionist.

The Robert Ferguson on this forum may be a troll trying to see how extreme some may be. The real Robert Ferguson is way out there in what appears to be the promotion and encouragement of violence.

I do not want to see anyone talking others into acting in a violent manner. There are those that inflame others into acting out violently, such as an Imam in a mosque. We don't want that here.

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"To us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder....Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end...." Isaiah 9:6-7 Micah 4:1-5: The law shall go forth from Jerusalem and people shall say, "Let us go to Him that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths." Daniel 2:44 "It shall break in pieces all of (man's) kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand forever."

I like Robert Ferguson. Why are you so against him? Are as much against the women that actually murder their children by abortion. You seem to have more sympathy for women that have actually murdered their own child, then for Robert who hasn't hurt anyone. Did you hear about Jesus saying judge righteous judgement? John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. You seem to care much more about murdering women than someone who wants to protect the victims.

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Good Reverend, Osama Bin Laden feels justified in the taking of 3000 lives on September 11, 2001. Perhaps you can explain to us how we have been wrong about him as well.

Are you a reverend or is that just your nickname? If you don't mind me asking, does your church have a website?

Your premis is totally false. the people in 911 were on no battle field, and were not engage in criminal activity at all. Your post is just plain stupid.

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Your thread title demands to know the identity of another poster on the forum. I don't think we have any right to demand that posters identify themselves, do we?

Your subtitle is "VIOLENCE MUST NOT BE TOLERATED!"...... how does one not "tolerate" violence in a non-violent way? Or do you intend to use force to stop violence?


Rober is not a "troll" in any sense. He's posted on Delphi antiabortion forums for years, and is an anti-abortion activist. I have found him to be a faithful and dedicated opponent of abortion. Personally, I admire his devotion to the cause, even while I may hold different views from him on some things. He has never displayed any indication of insincerity that I'm aware of. While you may disagree with his views, the proper way to refute them is to state your reasons for disagreeing, not by attacking him personally.

He has as much right to post here as the owners of this forum see fit to allow him to post. Refute his arguments as skillfully as you can, don't fall into the proabort habbit of trying to demonize your opponents.

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I am not demanding to know anything about Robert Ferguson. That is the name that the poster used in this forum. Either it is his identity or the poster wishes to be associated with the name Robert Ferguson in some fashion. The name Robert Ferguson is that of a pro-life proponent that has raised murderers to the level of hero status and rationalised the use of violence.

VIOLENCE MUST NOT BE TOLERATED!

The statement speaks for itself. I reject this person that calls himself a Christian who is clearly nothing more than someone who has found a cause that allows him an outlet for violent expression.

If you are not demanding to know his identity, then why ask the question? What sort of answer did you expect to get? Why do you expect any answer at all? Why can't you just address his statements here?


Yes, it does speak for itself...... it says we must stop violence, but it does not say how. I ask you again, do you advocate that we violently stop violence?

Reject him all you like, I don't think he will care. But making more personal attacks on him will not rebute a single thing he has said, will it? You can't defeat his arguments by attacking him.

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It is sad that you find it possible to live peacfully with baby kilers.

Personally I have no common ground with such. Neither should you.

There is no proof that defending self or another is evil.

There has been no talk of "vengence" by anyone addressing DEFENSIVE action.

Pay attention and stop the lying implications.

gee, Thank you Yoda for your kind words.

No doubt you will now be attacked.




gee, I would hope so since I have worked in conjuction with Life Dynamics over the years.- and Paul Hill was allowed to have two tapes on Life talk about His efforts.

do not know if Mark Crutcher gave the same opportunity to James Kopp and other or not. I do know that he invested alot of time when the government tried ot demonise Kopp for defensive actions.

It only seems logical that He would support the right to desicuss the same topics as he, himself as offered up fo rdiscussion on LIFE TALK.

Did these same passive aggressive prolife posters attack Crutcher too?







Now wouldn't that be nice! So far only one has made even a small attempt to answer the question posed.

Are you consistant in this? You never answered whether you would use force to defend yourself or your family from an unjust agressor.


And I take it you never served our Nation.




OK. I gues that means that you would just abandoned your assigned post as a huband or father - the protector and provider if your family were attacked.

yep. Your words speak loud and clear.




You judge unrighteously. My views are not simply an outlet for violent expression. They are consistent to the teachings of the Bible as to God's character.

Do you reject that He is the LION of Judah as well as the Lamb? Do you reject that He is the God off WAR?

Do you wish to character assult God too? You do so when you reject His full character.

Thank you Don for these kind words.

I suspect that these prolifers prefer dead babies to dead baby killers.

Faulty analogy.

It is better for you to tell us why those who used force on flight 93 on the same day are heros to Americans when you claim "VIOLENCE MUST NOT BE TOLERATED!" and oppose any mention of the heroics that defend reborn children.

I agree! Just plain stupid!

The same can be said of the "non" violent posters.

I am open to honest dialogue. I have just noticed that such is probably not possible with you.

I have posted questions which would force them all to examine the logic behind their bias positions, Instead they prefer to utilize personal attacks to distract from their reluctance to discuss the reasoning from which their position are in question inthe first place.

Most have yet to answer the question:

Would you defend yourself with lethal force from an unjust agressor who made it clear he was out to kill you?

You are here on an anti-christ agenda aren't you?

I find it kind of ironic to see "violence must not be tolerated" when alot of people on this board are pro-life but are in favor of the death penalty.

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let's discuss this premise of yours. How is a forceful defense considered falacy if we can apply defense using force to one human and yet not another?







So even you might allow for a forceful defense if it was for you.



That is understandable.

What is being sought is more if you accept to a forceful defense for yourself?

You basically said yes. But these ethics of yours are circumstantial. Situaltional ethics.




The lesson is to learn how we discriminate. Doing so would prevent this lesson. But I can understand why you would not like ot be exposed as being bias to the preborn child.


No! Defensive action has not been proven to be murder in the eyes of God.




Well, there you have it. The preborn are not your loved ones, so you have justified your discrimination against the preborn.

If it's good for you why not the preborn?

I do not consider myself prolife because I accept that God teaches capital punishment for capital crimes. I am also not anti abortion as miscarrages are abortions that hold no penalty. Thanks to Tam and Yoda I consider myself an Anti baby- killing advocate.

I understand what you are saying tho-

These same people might accept the use of violnce in many different ways- capital punishment, assasinations attempts on Hitler, war, flight 93, self defense or defense of their children- others they love- just not in a discussion about defending preborn babies.

They do not love these children enough to accpet the same use of violence.