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Topic Title: NO CHOICE FOR TEEN MOTHERS, by Colin Mason of PRI
Topic Summary: "At least, that’s what they say."
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NO CHOICE FOR TEEN MOTHERS

by Colin Mason

The topics of unplanned pregnancy and teen motherhood have always been politically sensitive ones for our morally schizophrenic nation, a nation that has the highest rate of teen pregnancy of any developed country. On the one hand, conservatives hold that the skyrocketing rates of teen pregnancy are the fault of comprehensive sex education programs, laissez-faire attitudes toward contraception and abortion, and a general aimlessness in matters of sexual morality. However, once conceived, the unborn baby is a human person whose intrinsic worth must be recognized, even if the teen mother elects to put the child up for adoption.

Liberal feminists, on the other hand, believe that these rates of unplanned pregnancy arise from a pervasive ignorance of the mechanics of sex, and an even more widespread ignorance of contraception. It should be the individual choice of every teenager, they say, whether or not they keep, abort, or put their baby up for adoption. This choice is their inalienable right, unassailable by state, spouse, boyfriend or even parent.

At least, that's what they say.

Closer examination of this feminist position shows that feminists, too, have very strong ideas as to what teen mothers should do with their babies. They should abort them.

Consider the recent rash of highly-publicized celebrity teen pregnancies. From Keisha Castle-Hughes, the 16-year-old who portrayed the Virgin Mary in The Nativity Story, to Jamie Lynn Spears, the younger sister of infamous pop star Britney Spears, more and more teen celebrities are announcing unplanned pregnancies - and choosing not to get abortions. In addition, Hollywood seems to have jumped on the bandwagon, releasing several films in the last year that deal favorably with this subject. Movies like Bella, Knocked Up, Waitress, and most recently Juno all showcase young single mothers who face unexpected pregnancies, and all choose to carry the baby to term.

Oftentimes these the creators of these films, like the young pregnant celebrities, wouldn't call themselves pro-life or even very conservative. Nevertheless, the choice to keep their new life, in reality or onscreen, was the path that they chose.

There, apparently, lies their crime.

The outrage arising from the feminist community is truly breathtaking. Feminists are bemoaning, not that these girls have no choice, but that they have refused to make the right one.

Apparently pregnancy is the one option women are not allowed to choose.

"Having to be a selfless parent is totally contradictory to the development of a teenager," psychotherapist Linda Perlman Gordon said to AP, concerning the pregnancy of Jamie Lynn Spears. "To do it right, she's got to subsume her needs. She's going to have to give up the part of growing that would have allowed her to become an autonomous, independent person."

Demie Kurtz, a feminist sociologist from the University of Pennsylvania, agrees. "Do we want to put burdens on these teenage girls by encouraging them to think that having a baby is cool?" she asks. "There should be a responsibility to portray a young person who makes a reasonable choice to have an abortion, or take the morning-after pill."

Never mind that these are women would have been quick to defend a woman's right to abort her child against the "judgment" of pro-lifers. It is ironic that when a teen mother chooses not to kill her unborn baby, the purported defenders of women's choice are the first to judge her.

Incredibly enough, this umbrage extends even to young teens who choose to put the child up for adoption. It would seem that feminists are not simply looking to spare teens from the vagaries of single motherhood, but they are firmly set against them having babies at all.

The film Juno, for instance, involves a young girl who contemplates an abortion, only to decide at the last minute to give and give the child to a well-to-do woman who has been trying to adopt. Juno took a beating by many feminists, who disliked the fact that the film's title character decided to have her baby, even though she gave him up for adoption.

"The movie made me really mad," writes "Mark" of The L Magazine's Blog About Town. "At first, we laugh at the solitary picketer [a pro-life protester outside the abortion clinic] . . . and while we're chuckling to ourselves, whoops, turns out Juno, good as she is at heart, gets cold feet about the whole baby-killing thing."

The assertion that the otherwise "good-hearted" Juno loses credibility by refusing to kill her child is breathtaking in its ideological myopia. Although this writer would undoubtedly call himself "pro-choice," what he advocates is no choice at all. Abortion is the only responsible option for unwed teen mothers, he implies. Even adoption is out of the question.

Frighteningly, these incidents only bring out a trend that has already been festering amidst the abortion debate. These feminists are tied so tightly to the abortion agenda that all roads must lead there. In these cases, abortion is a kind of perverse "street cred," a rite-of-passage that a girl, if she is really serious about her femininity, will have to undergo. When feminists tremble at the thought that pregnancy might become "cool," what they are really afraid of is the idea that a young girl might catch a glimpse the lingering beauty of motherhood. When that happens, she will reject abortion for what it is: the murder of an innocent child.

Colin Mason is the Director for Media Production at PRI.

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I don't think they should do anything that they wouldn't choose to do. But I do think that sixteen-year-olds may not necessarily be the best mothers. How do these girls get pregnant, anyway? When I was sixteen my parents kept enough of an eye on me that I couldn't go off having sex.

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Olivia manly girls and boys "do the deed" when their moms and dads are at work TRYING to provide. Many young people think that sex is a "right of passage" to adulthood and they have to prove to thier friends that they are grown!! Their friends talk about sex (lacking the PROPER education). You cant keep your kids locked in a basement they are SOMEDAY going to encounter the subject so you might as well teach them or they will "get into trouble"!!

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TOTALLY agreed CP.

ON a side note..

I DID abstain until I found the love of my life, and was married, and I am FAR from religious.

Sex is a powerful thing, something I learned because I was sexually abused by my uncle. It is sad to learn how powerful and corrupt sex can be at that age, but it taught me a LOT.

Because sex is so powerful, I decided that I did not want to share myself with anyone who did not deserve it. To "deserve it" meant you had to love and cherish me, and we were going to be married.

HECK YES it is not the best thing for minors to be sexually active.

I do believe in thorough education

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I am pro abortion
I am pro adoption
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I am pro whatever the woman wants.
I am also a woman that has had 3 abortions, and I work in an abortion clinic.
 01/15/2008 07:31 AM
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"Because sex is so powerful, I decided that I did not want to share myself with anyone who did not deserve it. To "deserve it" meant you had to love and cherish me, and we were going to be married. "

Bravo CariFairy.

Hello Olivia.
Sadly, most parents aren't as tuned in to what their teens are doing. You can't micromanage them forever. You need to teach them. Teach them the morality of it, the stark facts about it. I am just about to leave my teen years behind me, and I am a virgin. I will remain so until I am married. The reasons are: Morality, and common sense. I am not a toy to be played with, no man but the ONE will ever touch me. The STDs going around are another issue. It just isn't smart to go around having sex.

Yoda that was a very interesting article. Once again proving, they are not pro-choice, they are pro-abort. These girls chose to have sex, now they are choosing not to end life. Many of them may be worthless mothers. The family should step up and support. But no child deserves to die in their mother's womb.

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Hereforareason-

It is a very sad way to learn a lesson..But being sexually abused as a young girl taught me to RESPECT and love my body in a way that nothing else could. It taught me that people can use sex to manipulate, harm, control, and wreak havoc on a womans life.

I wanted sex to be special, and I am glad that I waited until marriage.

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I am pro abortion
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I am pro whatever the woman wants.
I am also a woman that has had 3 abortions, and I work in an abortion clinic.
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Pro-choicers should support all children getting pregnant and carrying their kids to term, even if the mothers are at least 9 years old.

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Of course..

a 9,10, 100, 12 year old is no less needing of support than any other woman.

High risk OBGYN's should be involved for care, obviously.

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Originally posted by: Syrenity
Of course you realize that a 9 or 10 year old is at much greater health risk going through pregnancy & delivery than having an abortion?

Of course you realize that there is no general rule where health is concerned, and that each case must be evaluated by a competent physician?

Or do you just like to support general baby killing in all cases, regardless?

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Most everyone around here knows I am pro choice, and more than outspoken about it..

Pregnant 10 year olds have a HOST of issues that need to be considered when dealing with pregnancy.

Whether anyone likes it or not, even 10 year olds have a VOICE.

People cannot simply run a 10 year old to an abortion provider 'just because' she is 10, and 'people' think that 'they' know what is best for her.

AS most parents can tell you, 10 year olds CERTAINLY have opinions, and they often are unafraid to give them to you.

I see no reason to EVER force ANYONE to have an abortion, regardless of age or circumstance.

HOWEVER, I see no reason to leave a 10 year old out of helping to make some very CRITICAL decisions about her health.

If a 10 year old does not wish to stay pregnant, I see no reason to withhold an abortion. AGAIN, critical decisions are being made, and medical professionals should always be consulted.

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Originally posted by: Carifairy

Most everyone around here knows I am pro choice, and more than outspoken about it..



Pregnant 10 year olds have a HOST of issues that need to be considered when dealing with pregnancy.



Whether anyone likes it or not, even 10 year olds have a VOICE.



People cannot simply run a 10 year old to an abortion provider 'just because' she is 10, and 'people' think that 'they' know what is best for her.



AS most parents can tell you, 10 year olds CERTAINLY have opinions, and they often are unafraid to give them to you.



I see no reason to EVER force ANYONE to have an abortion, regardless of age or circumstance.



HOWEVER, I see no reason to leave a 10 year old out of helping to make some very CRITICAL decisions about her health.



If a 10 year old does not wish to stay pregnant, I see no reason to withhold an abortion. AGAIN, critical decisions are being made, and medical professionals should always be consulted.


Well, if the girl's ten, they should probably do DNA on the products of conception after the abortion. There's probably some rape or statutory rape going on there.

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Originally posted by: LolitaOlivia
Well, if the girl's ten, they should probably do DNA on the products of conception after the abortion. There's probably some rape or statutory rape going on there.

You'd think they would, wouldn't you? In fact, they are "mandatory reporters" in such matters, and are required by law to report such indications of possible child abuse to the authorities...... but guess what?

They don't!

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Originally posted by: yodavater

Originally posted by: LolitaOlivia

Well, if the girl's ten, they should probably do DNA on the products of conception after the abortion. There's probably some rape or statutory rape going on there.


You'd think they would, wouldn't you? In fact, they are "mandatory reporters" in such matters, and are required by law to report such indications of possible child abuse to the authorities...... but guess what?



They don't!


Some don't. And it's hard for them to know when the girl or her parents refuse to tell them how she got pregnant.

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these rooms are meant to be for a place for people who value the right to every life to come and share thier views and stories....not a place for people that are pro-abortion to confound everything good that is being said. it has been clearly noted that our country will suffer great calamities for the sins of abortion. it is a sin whether or not you agree with me. that is truth. nothing can change the truth. so for the ladies here who tend to err on the side of the abortion industry. i have one word for you, repent!
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Originally posted by: LolitaOlivia
Originally posted by: yodavater
Originally posted by: LolitaOlivia Well, if the girl's ten, they should probably do DNA on the products of conception after the abortion. There's probably some rape or statutory rape going on there.
You'd think they would, wouldn't you? In fact, they are "mandatory reporters" in such matters, and are required by law to report such indications of possible child abuse to the authorities...... but guess what? They don't!
Some don't. And it's hard for them to know when the girl or her parents refuse to tell them how she got pregnant.
It doesn't matter if they refuse to say how the underaged got pregnant. The law states that all health care workers must report such matters to the authorities. The burden to report is triggered upon the fact that an underage girl is pregnant, not how she got that way. How she got that way is for law enforcement to investigate. It is criminally prosicutable for a health care worker not to report reasonable suspicion of sexual activity of a minor.

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Originally posted by: faithman

Originally posted by: LolitaOlivia

Originally posted by: yodavater



Originally posted by: LolitaOlivia



Well, if the girl's ten, they should probably do DNA on the products of conception after the abortion. There's probably some rape or statutory rape going on there.




You'd think they would, wouldn't you? In fact, they are "mandatory reporters" in such matters, and are required by law to report such indications of possible child abuse to the authorities...... but guess what?







They don't!




Some don't. And it's hard for them to know when the girl or her parents refuse to tell them how she got pregnant.


It doesn't matter if they refuse to say how the underaged got pregnant. The law states that all health care workers must report such matters to the authorities. The burden to report is triggered upon the fact that an underage girl is pregnant, not how she got that way. How she got that way is for law enforcement to investigate. It is criminally prosicutable for a health care worker not to report reasonable suspicion of sexual activity of a minor.

Only if they think the father is older. It's not illegal for two underage kids to have sex. But if some thirty-year-old (who's not her dad or guardian) comes in with a little girl, yes the police need to know.

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Originally posted by: LolitaOlivia
Some don't. And it's hard for them to know when the girl or her parents refuse to tell them how she got pregnant.

Which is EXACTLY why the clinic personnel should let the police question them, and not try to "play detective".

They are "mandatory reporters"... NOT "mandatory investigators".

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Originally posted by: rosaryforlife
these rooms are meant to be for a place for people who value the right to every life to come and share thier views and stories....not a place for people that are pro-abortion to confound everything good that is being said.

Mark Crutcher, the "owner" of this forum, allows them to post here for our "entertainment". That said, sometimes they aren't very entertaining.

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Originally posted by: LolitaOlivia
Only if they think the father is older..

As usual, you are absolutely FULL OF IT, Olivia!

The clinic personnel have NO BUSINESS trying to determine who the father is!!

NONE AT ALL!! That is the business of the police!

And it makes ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE who brings the girl into the clinic....that does NOT prove who the father is, does it?????????

Wake up!!

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Edited: 01/17/2008 at 03:25 PM by yodavater
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