A singer named Clay Aiken was on Good Morning America with Diane Sawyer to announce that he is gay. Then it got really weird; he explained his little family. Clay had a baby boy with his long-time live-in friend (a woman). He claimed it was done artificially....yeah, sure Clay, whatever you say. Clay said they all loved each other very much. He said one day his friend (the baby's mother) would find someone and he himself would find another person. However, their priority is the little baby boy. When asked who decided what was best for the baby Clay said whoever is loud. The baby's future is open-ended. Is this weird, or what? I think Clay and his live in long-time friend (can't use the term girlfriend, the Press didn't) are bad people. A legally binding marriage contract between a man and woman is best for children and building families.

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I John 3:14-15 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death. Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

you are 100% correct. it is ridiculous and sad for him to claim 'gay'--what exactly does he think his saying? doesn't 'gay' mean 'happy'--if he's happy, why would that constitute abandoning the mother of his child. and why do men that sleep with men or want to sleep with men say they're 'gay?'

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At least they care about the child and are committed to raising him.

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first of all clay is yet another man sadly deceived by this evil 'gay' fad going around. 'gay' is a made up description of a person who chooses to have sex with the same sex or wants to...that's just like if i had made up a name for stealing or wanting to steal and i 'come out of the closet' and say i'm 'thray'--that's just who i am, i'm happy stealing, i've known i was a thief since i was a kid, don't discriminate against me because i am thray...it's ok to be thray...i was born thray...i can't change who i am...i'm tired of living a lie...i'm not attracted to working for things i want...i'm only attracted to stealing them...see how insane that sounds?!

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Unfortunately, this sexually immoral lifestyle does not concern many. The family, raising of children, and permanance and importance of marriage vows has to be loudly promoted in a time of increasing sexual decadence, lawlessness and irresponsibility. Clay has already said he and the mother were committed to going their own separate ways; but there appears to be no game plan for the baby. Who is in charge of the baby? Who will take care of the boy's needs? It is lawless for either the father or mother to walk away from the family. Mankind is happy with loose arrangements. Isn't that what you had with your sometimes live-in, sometimes not girlfriend who wanted to abort your son concernedparent? A lack of commitment. Sounds like the mother of your children had a Clay Aikens type of attitude about commitment. God says he hates divorce. God says he hates those who break their vows (contracts). He also says he hates liars, which Clay appears to be, liars shall have their part in the lake of fire. Contracts, truthfulness, commitment are all virtues that God requires us to have. Liars, contract breakers, the uncommitted are abominations before the Lord; they shall not stand before Him. I'm sure Clay's soft-spoken laughing manner was endearing and deceptive to those that listened to him. This man was trying to put a pretty face on his evil intentions and immoral actions.

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I John 3:14-15 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death. Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

RIGHT again...and what he is REALLY saying is that his pleasure fulfillment takes priority over his God and His truth, his child, the mother of his child, his fatherhood, his manhood--it is selfish--it is lust of the flesh that he is snared by. when one allows 'being with the same sex' to take presidence over every part of their duties as a person God created them to be, this is very, very dangerous!

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One begins to wonder if someone is in denial

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" If abortion is merely about women's rights then what were mine? There wasn't a radical feminist yelling about how my rights were being violated on that day."<BR><BR>Gianna Jessen, abortion survivor

Numerous studies have shown that children fare best in a 2 parent household ( mom and dad) That is ideal, but sometimes circumstances dont allow for this. Divorce, widowhood are two examples. Im not really sure how I feel about gays raising kids. I can see the logic if one may have had a child from a previous relationship or marriage. My cousin and his parnter raised his son after his ex wife passed away. He turned out fine and straight. I dont think organizations like Catholic Charties should be forced to open their adoption services to gays because they are a private religious agencies. I would rather see a child raised by a loving gay couple than a hetro couple that abuses them.

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" If abortion is merely about women's rights then what were mine? There wasn't a radical feminist yelling about how my rights were being violated on that day."<BR><BR>Gianna Jessen, abortion survivor

I was going by what I learned in sociology class in college ( state school). I need to do a google search.

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" If abortion is merely about women's rights then what were mine? There wasn't a radical feminist yelling about how my rights were being violated on that day."<BR><BR>Gianna Jessen, abortion survivor

on a related theme - i encountered an interesting blog the other day.

i WON'T be contributing my seed!!

...getting pregnant is my present challenge. In less than two weeks, I will be ovulating, which as everyone should know is primetime for baby making. The problem is that I don't yet have a partner for this process. Now, I'm not looking for a source of child support or a baby-daddy in the sense that he should have any supportive role in the pregnancy or in raising the child, I just need some good, hearty seed...

http://ebjones.typepad.com/eri...-ship-in-a-bottle.html

This isn't a matter of perception, but a matter of correct observation. I assume from other posts that he is a Christian, and the orthodox Christian position is that homosexuality is a sin. It doesn't matter what changing tolerances society has; the scripture doesn't change. If he points out that someone who chose that lifestyle is a sinner, he is just speaking from his Christian beliefs.

But you know what? There are a lot of other things the Bible says are sins and nobody calls believers bigots for pointing those out. Maybe that's partly because of how this issue has been dealt with in the past. Gays have been mistreated in ways that aren't exactly Christian. My approach is that you love the sinner but hate the sin. I don't think they should be denied jobs or housing or what not just for who they sleep with, but likewise I don't think Christians should be called bigots just for believing that behavior is wrong. But in reality, it's no better or worse than any other sin and we would do well to remember that. Is a gay man more of a sinner than a straight person who lies?

With all that said, I don't think this is the biggest issue we have to face today. I think abortion is a more crucial issue to focus on for the simple fact that one party usually ends up dead. Abortion is also inherently different for the simple fact that there are plenty of pro life people who aren't Christians, but I don't know too many non Christians who still have a beef with homosexuality. I know Muslims and Jews aren't too approving either, but I don't know any of them personally. On here though, we have a fair number of pro life people who don't share my Christian beliefs, and I think it's great that those of us who are on opposite sides religiously can agree on this issue and work together.

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all sin is relevant to other sin because one leads to others--it causes a domino effect...we have abortion because other evils have been accepted! also God made a man to be with his wife then they (two) produce children. from God's creation, a child has two biological parents - a mother and father - known or unknown - dead or alive.

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Edited: 09/27/2008 at 08:13 AM by sweet

It's that post modern world we live in where "tolerance" of one leads to societal acceptance of another. We can't disagree with the actions of a person without it being said that we hate that person. A lot of sloppy logic there.

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So true.... homosexual sex is sin. And I might add that all heterosexual sex is sin if done outside the boundaries of marriage.



This is very true. It is not Christian to call gays names and treat them harshly. They are sinning yes but so are we. And sin is sin is sin. We can judge their actions and point out how they contradict the scriptures but only God can and will judge thier heart. The church should minister to them like any other sinning person but should never turn them away. The Church should stand on the Word of God which He has made plainly clear.

Sweet I loved what you said here


Sin splashes not only on the sinner but those that are innocent as well. The sin of abortion done by the mother, directly affects the innocent life she takes. If a man has an affair and his family finds out.....his sin directly affects them. And if they act in anger against people.....the sinning goes on and on.

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Rom 1:18 For God's anger is being revealed from Heaven against all impiety and against the iniquity of men who through iniquity suppress the truth. God is angry."

I agree that we have abortion because of other sins being tolerated. I believe the sex industry is the main culprite and until we stop the flood of porn and the selling of sex we will never have abortion end. We need abortion to continue wild sexual lifestyles. Our biggest import is porn now, and everything is blured as to what is acceptable and what isn't.
The primary issue is the commercialization of sex.

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I would prefer that we be modest in this society. Not only no depiction of sex in the media; but not even any advertisements, photos or video suggestive of sex.
I have numerous kids to raise. I prefer that we aren't living in a cesspool with landmines constantly placed in front of us that we have to go around and avoid.

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true. and it must begin with God's Truth being taught more instead of shunned.

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Anti miscegenation laws were once justified in the same ways that discrimination against homosexuals is justified now.

This thread is an excellent reason the Bible needs to be classified as a work of fantasy. What real holy text would encourage followers to be outspoken bigots, to be ashamed of the workings of the human body, and to discriminate against love?

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Originally posted by: yodavater: "I'm a little adverse to being "controlled" when I'm on my time."

Me too.

And that is where we have a tall order in front of us. Post modernism is one of the biggest obstacles to spreading the truth when you're trying to reach a group of people who don't even buy the concept of truth. Sure they'll tell you they believe in truth, but when pushed you will hear them say things like, "That is true for you but not for me" or, "That is my truth but not the truth for that other group." The idea of an absolute truth, a standard that applies to all people regardless of ethnicity, culture, personal beliefs, or nationality, is anathema to many people today. We live in a society of opinion instead of fact and that can be really frustrating to deal with sometimes.

That is why it becomes very important for Christians to live lives that stand up under scrutiny. You have to walk your talk. The truth must be shown to those around us, not just proclaimed to them. Of course we must proclaim it as well; we have to sow the seed and trust that some of it will fall on fertile ground. So yes, the truth is shunned today, but sometimes it's not the truth that is shunned as much as the idea that there even is absolute truth. Our culture is steeped in the idea that truth is relative and we can each have our own truth that might contradict someone else's truth. The law of non contradiction is all but dead today.

So how do we approach this? I think what we need to do is shine our light so that it becomes evident to those around us that what we believe is something worth pursuing. People have to look at you and say, "Whatever he has, I want some of that." If you live a sermon, people will be more open to hearing one.

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What is a bigot? I was raised to believe a bigot is someone who believes in the inherent superiority of his own ethnic group, or that believes people of other ethnic groups are inherently inferior because of genetic traits that are common to people of that ethnic group. If I disapprove of the behavior of a certain group, that doesn't mean that I believe that group is inherently inferior to me. That means I don't approve of a certain behavior. The Bible does not teach bigotry. It does however teach a certain standard for behavior and calls anything that falls short of that standard sin. The Bible does not discriminate against love; it teaches that there are appropriate standards for how love is expressed. If you don't believe in those standards, that's your choice, but don't call me a bigot for believing in them myself.

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