Survival of the Fittest
The Abortion Movement Shows Its True Colors

April 17, 2009

The story is heartbreaking. A woman showed up at an abortion clinic "in flip-flops and in tears," having walked for an hour to have her fourth child aborted after her boyfriend lost his job. "'This was a desired pregnancy - she'd been getting prenatal care - but they re-evaluated expenses and decided not to continue,' said Dr. Pratima Grupta," in the Associated Press report.

Yes, it's a heartbreaking story. But columnist Bonnie Erbe sees it quite differently. "In the long run," she asks, "can we agree that this unwed couple's decision not to bring a fourth child into the world when they are having trouble feeding themselves and three children is no tragedy?"

After a brief analysis of the expenses of raising a child, Erbe then reiterates that their "fact-based, rational decision" is "no tragedy: it's a good decision." In fact, she believes, we'd all be better off if we could recapture the national mood we had just after Roe v. Wade, when abortion "was not something women whined about publicly on the scale many seem to now." Unbelievable! It's as if abortion is a good thing.

full article: http://www.informz.net/pfm/archives/archive_765925.html

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“The purpose of civil government is to protect life; abandon that, and you have abandoned all.”-Thomas Jefferson." http://www.abortionknoxville.com

Maafa21 Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLnNi_qb7nY

Didn't I read this somewhere already?

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A woman has the right to control her body.
"What if the woman is in the unborn state?"
-LukesMom

Being female does not give me a right to kill my children.

A woman's uterus is HERS alone. It is a haven and a cradle for her child, a sanctuary. People from both sides of this debate need to stop trying to emotionally manipulate women by scaring them or guilting them or angering them. Get your pickets out of her uterus; I don't care what side you're on!!

You mean like "the family that kills babies together, stays together"?

If it's "best for the family", why isn't it best after the child is born? Isn't that born child still a drag on their finances?


Never miss a chance to sling mud, eh spinny?

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“The purpose of civil government is to protect life; abandon that, and you have abandoned all.”-Thomas Jefferson." http://www.abortionknoxville.com

Maafa21 Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLnNi_qb7nY

Edited: 04/17/2009 at 03:47 PM by yodavater

women should not have to abort solely because of financial hardship. it is inevitably a mistake for most of them.

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Originally posted by: yodavater: "I'm a little adverse to being "controlled" when I'm on my time."

Me too.

That's what ticks me off about these situations, I can understand women aborting a child with Downs, she can't change the Downs, her family and friends and society can't change the Downs, they just kill the DOwns (understand yes, condone, hell no).

However, you can change finanical situations. This woman is going to live with this choice for the rest of her life, she's goign to have to live knowing she killed her child over money. Thsi proves the short sightedness of the pro-choice to kill unborn children lobby, or at the very least their pessimissm.

What if the bf got another job?

What if they won some money?

What if someone passed away and left them a stink load of money?

What if they walked into their church and someone said "here, let me help you fiscally"?

Now, if one of those things happens weeks, maybe months after that abortion, how is that woman going to feel?

THe pro-choice to kill unborn children movement stopped being about women a long time ago.

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Cannot unsee.

Know Rule 34.

I would be disappointed if you didn't slime everyone and everything a prolifer brings up here, spinny. We all expect it of you.

And it's so very, very proabort of you to ignore the text and attack the author... much easier to slime people than ideas, right?

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“The purpose of civil government is to protect life; abandon that, and you have abandoned all.”-Thomas Jefferson." http://www.abortionknoxville.com

Maafa21 Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLnNi_qb7nY

I'd be very concerned about Spinny if they didn't start hurling slime.

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Cannot unsee.

Know Rule 34.

Oh yes, killing another member of the family is nothing right?

They killed a member of the familiy, how was that right for the one they killed? There is no such thing as an unwanted baby. There are millions out there what want children.

spinwiddy you should read some of Chuck Colsons books. He is one of my favorites, I have read EVERYTHING he has ever written.

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Rom 1:18 For God's anger is being revealed from Heaven against all impiety and against the iniquity of men who through iniquity suppress the truth. God is angry."

They shouldn't have to; but most of them are not aware of the aid available or think it will be too hard.

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A woman has the right to control her body.
"What if the woman is in the unborn state?"
-LukesMom

Being female does not give me a right to kill my children.

A woman's uterus is HERS alone. It is a haven and a cradle for her child, a sanctuary. People from both sides of this debate need to stop trying to emotionally manipulate women by scaring them or guilting them or angering them. Get your pickets out of her uterus; I don't care what side you're on!!

That is what the pro abortion lobby wants women to think. They want CPC shut down because these are places that women can go to for aid and referrals so they can have the baby and adopt it out or parent. These is also why protesters and sidewalk counslours outside these clinics are a Godsend. Alot of women dont find out about their options and resources until they get to the clinics.

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Lo! those who believe, and those who are Jews, and Sabaeans, and Christians - Whosoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. (69)

Quran 5:69

Right on, Carole! Though we too should avoid lying to save the child's life.

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A woman has the right to control her body.
"What if the woman is in the unborn state?"
-LukesMom

Being female does not give me a right to kill my children.

A woman's uterus is HERS alone. It is a haven and a cradle for her child, a sanctuary. People from both sides of this debate need to stop trying to emotionally manipulate women by scaring them or guilting them or angering them. Get your pickets out of her uterus; I don't care what side you're on!!

i don't know alot about that, could you give me an example of aid available presented by crisis pregnancy clinics?

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Originally posted by: yodavater: "I'm a little adverse to being "controlled" when I'm on my time."

Me too.

Women don't "have to abort" solely because of financial hardship. There is this thing called "adoption", and it solves many financial problems for mothers.

http://www.parentprofiles.com

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“The purpose of civil government is to protect life; abandon that, and you have abandoned all.”-Thomas Jefferson." http://www.abortionknoxville.com

Maafa21 Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLnNi_qb7nY

Could you give me an example of a sidewalk counselor/protester lying to save a child's life?

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“The purpose of civil government is to protect life; abandon that, and you have abandoned all.”-Thomas Jefferson." http://www.abortionknoxville.com

Maafa21 Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLnNi_qb7nY

I was implying that some women who go to an abortion clinic dont find out about the aid and resources available until they talk to a sidewalk counslour or protesters. Im not sure I understand your question, but if your wanting to know what kind of services CPC offers I can tell you. Whether they walk into a CPC office or to a person outside an abortion clinic. They will be offered social service referrals involving both government and private charities, such as information about WIC, Medicaid, TANF, food stamps, housing options,etc. CPC directly usually will provide free pregnancy testing, maternity clothing, baby clothing, diapers and some work with doctors to provide prenatal care and housing, adoption referrals, help finding employment or educational opportunites. The type and availabilty of aid varies with each CPC, but what I provided is just a generality and all of these services are available free of charge.

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Lo! those who believe, and those who are Jews, and Sabaeans, and Christians - Whosoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. (69)

Quran 5:69

I meant more the CPCs providing unsubstantiated "facts" about how abortion causes breast cancer, makes a lot of women infertile, etc. It doesn't do either of those things. Abortion is horrific enough; you don't need to lie to make a woman change her mind.

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A woman has the right to control her body.
"What if the woman is in the unborn state?"
-LukesMom

Being female does not give me a right to kill my children.

A woman's uterus is HERS alone. It is a haven and a cradle for her child, a sanctuary. People from both sides of this debate need to stop trying to emotionally manipulate women by scaring them or guilting them or angering them. Get your pickets out of her uterus; I don't care what side you're on!!

They may feel like they "have" to though. Refusing to acknowledge that doesn't make it go away.

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A woman has the right to control her body.
"What if the woman is in the unborn state?"
-LukesMom

Being female does not give me a right to kill my children.

A woman's uterus is HERS alone. It is a haven and a cradle for her child, a sanctuary. People from both sides of this debate need to stop trying to emotionally manipulate women by scaring them or guilting them or angering them. Get your pickets out of her uterus; I don't care what side you're on!!

Abortion clinics lie all the time and women can be made infertile by abortion just like they can be if they undego a difficult birth. I believe there is a possible link between abortion and breast cancer and it deserves to have some studies done.

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Lo! those who believe, and those who are Jews, and Sabaeans, and Christians - Whosoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. (69)

Quran 5:69

Because pregnancy can cost her her job, health or even life. Why should she be forced to risk all that for an unwanted child? That's simply monstrous and unacceptable.



What-ifs won't pay your bills or feed and put clothes on your family. How many people are you responsible for, Shenanigans?



Blah blah blah. You know nothing about the pro-choice movement. The lies you are posting here on this forum are just that - lies.



No, it's not. A fetus is a not a family member to most people. A fetus is not comparable to born children.



A being that has never even been sentient and the imaginary rights you would like to assign to it are nothing in comparison with the actual needs and feelings of the born members of the family.



There is, and you being in denial about it doesn't mean there isn't.



Adoption is incredibly difficult process. And as always, I'll remind you that there are many actual children, with needs, feelings and dreams, children who suffer, children who need family. THAT is what's important. That is why born children are so much more important than any zygote, embryo or fetus will ever be.

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'The 'pro-life' position is fundamentally disrespectful of women. It denies them the right to make decisions regarding their bodies, health and futures.'

Gay marriage isn't threatening my marriage.

Edited: 04/19/2009 at 08:33 AM by Rosalie

Are her born children living inside of her body and threatening her health or life by simply being present in her body, breathing and feeding off her bodily resources?

If so, she should absolutely be able to.

But they're not, therefore this scenario is incomparable.

As always, CP, as always.



I absolutely am, you just have nothing intelligent to say so you are trying to make up a non-sequitor in response. You have absolutely no point. My statement is honest and it stands.

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'The 'pro-life' position is fundamentally disrespectful of women. It denies them the right to make decisions regarding their bodies, health and futures.'

Gay marriage isn't threatening my marriage.