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 11/02/2009 11:10 AM
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QueenJ Executive Member

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A Heartbreaking Choice
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Until every woman, everywhere is able to easily access safe, legal, private, affordable abortions, for whatever reason, at any time, on demand, without interference from outside parties and most importantly - without apology or shame.
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 11/02/2009 12:18 PM
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Augustine VP

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Oh how cute, a "thank you for killing my baby" page.
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People that support abortion are narrow minded, morally frail, passively cruel, constitutionally weak, emotionally impaired and are in every way, humanly disadvantaged.I AM A PRO-LIFE PERSON!
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 11/02/2009 12:22 PM
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Augustine VP

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Dr Tiller
"But, for whatever reason that you are here... we find that there are many reasons why women find that continuing the pregnancy will cause substantial and irreversible impairment of their physical health, their mental health, their emotional health, their family health, age of the patient, safety and well-being... for whatever reason that you are here, welcome to Wichita, and thank you for the opportunity to be helpful to you." - George Tiller
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People that support abortion are narrow minded, morally frail, passively cruel, constitutionally weak, emotionally impaired and are in every way, humanly disadvantaged.I AM A PRO-LIFE PERSON!
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 11/02/2009 12:25 PM
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Augustine VP

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"I was required to falsify the medical records. But not just that, related to that, I was required to lie to the women over the phone. And the way he'd explain it to me was, without coming right out and saying it, these are really third trimester abortions, but we're going to tell them they're only in the second trimester. They would say, well, I've already had a sonogram, and my bpd was 7.8 or 8.3 or whatever. He said, when they tell you that, don't turn them away as being too far along. Tell them to come in, and we'll do our own sonogram, and it will show they're not that far along. Tell them that sonogram reading is an art, not a science. He explained to me that the bpd is a measurement of the angle of the baby's head, where at that angle, the baby's head is roughly egg-shaped. The usual way that you measure the bpd is from the top of the egg to the bottom of the egg, which is at the widest point. But we measure it from side to side, at the narrowest point." -former Tiller employee
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People that support abortion are narrow minded, morally frail, passively cruel, constitutionally weak, emotionally impaired and are in every way, humanly disadvantaged.I AM A PRO-LIFE PERSON!
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 11/02/2009 12:55 PM
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QueenJ Executive Member

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Did you even bother to read any of the stories?
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Until every woman, everywhere is able to easily access safe, legal, private, affordable abortions, for whatever reason, at any time, on demand, without interference from outside parties and most importantly - without apology or shame.
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 11/02/2009 01:09 PM
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galen Executive VP

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I did ... none required them to kill thier child... delivery at the hospice down the street would have enabled the children to die with dignity and the mom's that required it to get the help they needed.
B TW the one lady w/ maternal renal failure will still have the kidney problems, w/ or w/out her child... why not with... at least she would not have a death on her mind .
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Mary I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. Satan’s successes are the greatest when he appears with the name of God on his lips. Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948) The devil's cleverest wile is to make men believe that he does not exsist. Gerald C Treacy
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 11/02/2009 02:17 PM
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sweet Executive Member

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"a heartbreaking/fetal skull breaking choice"...uuh, let's see...a heartbreaking choice to do what? put out a hit for a helpless, innocent little child? you know what? i'm grown, at least i'm guilty of having lied/stolen in my life and i seriously doubt that a cold, callous baby killer would even tap my hand in rebuke if we were face to face... yet they are so braaave when it comes to slaughter of the defenseless!
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 11/02/2009 02:53 PM
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MC3 Executive Member

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This is a classic example of what I call "The Godless Left's Bastardization of Compassion."
My wife and I lost a daughter to a disease called Mekel-Gruber syndrome. When the geneticist seeing my wife first identified this situation, his immediate response was to suggest abortion. In the next few minutes, I made damned sure that he regretted saying such a thing. Then we left to seek a legitimate medical professional.
We would come to find out that Mekel-Gruber syndrome is always fatal but there was never even the most fleeting moment when abortion was considered. If she was destined to lose her life, it would not come at our direction. A few months later, on the day after our daughter was born, she died.
What degenerates like QueenJ do not grasp, is that my wife and I never have to live with the guilt of having intentionally killed our own baby. As it should be, her death was outside of our control. But again, this is a foreign concept to the QueenJs of the world. They lack the morals to understand why we fight against the killing of children even for "good" reasons because they have no moral objection to killing them for no reason whatsoever.
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 11/02/2009 04:46 PM
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saucie Executive Member

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Originally posted by: joueravecfou
What control freaks like you do not grasp is that the choice that was right for you and that you were FREE to make may not be right for another. Every situation is unique and waiting to deliver naturally may not be in the woman's best physical or emotional interests so your individual opinion of what others should do in hopeless situations is irrelevant to their own feelings and reality.
Spoken like a good little nazi....it was their "opinion" there was a segment of humanity that didn't deserve life...you have too.
You've mixed up control feak and the audacity to give someone every single change at life.
You people get more bizarre by the day.
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A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. - Edward R. Murrow The first liberal was satan.
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 11/02/2009 07:16 PM
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nancyu Executive VP

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Hmmm... no one posted their stories of how they waited too late to have an early abortion...so they had to have a late one??
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All unborn children are personsAbortion is NOT LEGALRead the ConstitutionDefend the Child
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 11/02/2009 07:25 PM
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nancyu Executive VP

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Eureka, here's one:
Referrals, Delays, and Late Termination
Diagnosis: Posterior Urethral Valves
A Kansas Story
Nathan Jack's Mom
When we found out that we were pregnant with our second child, life could not get any better. Our daughter was just 15 months old; how perfect that the kids were going to be less than 2 years apart in age. Our family was growing and so was our love.
At our 19-week ultrasound that we found out not only that we were having a boy, but that one of his ureters, his bladder and stomach were all slightly dilated. The technician couldn't give us this information, so when we met with our doctor, she casually reported the findings. She assured us that in all her years of practicing, she saw this very often in boys, but only twice did it have to be followed after birth. We were advised to return a week later for better pictures of the heart. During that second ultrasound, it appeared that the dilation had increased; again, no cause for alarm. It was later that day that the doctor called us at home to suggest that we go for a Level II ultrasound at an imaging center "just to make sure everything was ok."
Two weeks had gone by and although we were concerned, there was no diagnosis or cause for alarm. The baby was extremely active and growing beautifully. The following week when I went for my Level II ultrasound, the technician spent 2 hours taking pictures, focusing on the collecting system, but again, sat stoically and continued to tell us all of the things that were perfect with our son. When the doctor finally met with us, he advised us that the bladder was unusually large, indicating a blockage in a ureter, but his kidneys looked perfect. He mentioned a conditioned found solely in boys called posterior urethral valves (PUV). He also advised us not to read information posted on the Internet because we'd drive ourselves crazy and worry ourselves for no reason. He, too, advised us to return to his center in 2 weeks to meet with yet another doctor. In hindsight, we should have realized that there was something seriously wrong since each doctor referred to someone more knowledgeable.
2 weeks later, we returned to the Imaging Center for yet another follow-up. After hearing how great his heart looked, this doctor advised us that we should see specialists in the top hospital in New York City to determine a possible diagnosis.
That night my husband, daughter and I drove into Brooklyn to see the top pediatric urologist in the country. Again, everything looked fine, but we were told to come to the hospital in a few days so his team could look at our fetus.
This went on for three more weeks, and six more visits to NYC. It was a Tuesday when we finally met with the Director of OB and she informed us that our son was very sick, and although she offered fetal procedures to increase his chances of survival, she also informed us that PUV is often detected early in the pregnancy and most mothers choose to terminate because of the many, severe complications. But at 27 weeks gestation, termination was no longer an option in New York State.
For the first time in eight weeks, a doctor was honest with us, and although it was her honesty that I hated, I was overcome with immense sadness. Late termination- how could I terminate my son? If we could hold on just 13 more weeks, then we'd have him to the best doctors, and they'd "fix" him and he'd be well.
The doctor mentioned a doctor in Kansas that, based upon this medical situation, could perform a late termination. The idea was so surreal- going to Kansas to terminate my son; he was supposed to be born to me and complete my family. After weeks of not knowing the prognosis, but gradually learning that this baby was so very sick, it didn't take us very long to realize that traveling to Kansas to have this procedure done was saving our son from a brief life of respirators, dialysis, surgeries and pain.
When we arrived at the Women's Health Center, we immediately felt the compassion and understanding from the entire staff. We had a story, and they listened. The doctor instantly connected with us and assured us that although our decision was a difficult one, he knew how sick our son was and that the choice we made was because we love him so much and couldn't bear to put him through a short life full of pain and suffering.
The week we spent in Kansas was one of the toughest weeks of my life, one that I will never forget, nor will I choose to forget, but through my tears of sadness, love helped us through.
We returned home just two days ago, and the pain is ever so fresh, and the memories vivid. A piece of me doesn't want the pain to ever go away because it is one way for me to stay connected to my son. My beautiful, angelic son, Nathan Jack. Seeing him was one of the hardest things I have ever done, not being able to watch him grow up, or call me "Mommy" is something I will always grieve over, but knowing that we protected and saved him from an existence of hospital stays was our responsibility as loving parents.
We are forever grateful to the Women's Health Center, the amazing doctor and all staff for being our heaven when we were living in hell.
Background
A posterior urethral valve is an abnormal congenital obstructing membrane that is located within the posterior male urethra; this valve is the most common cause of bladder outlet obstruction in male children....
..The final goal of all therapeutic intervention for posterior urethral valve is proper urinary tract function with protection of the renal units. As a result of progress in the diagnosis, treatment, and surveillance of this condition, morbidity and mortality rates have markedly diminished over the past several decades.
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/412226-overview
They killed their child...why?
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All unborn children are personsAbortion is NOT LEGALRead the ConstitutionDefend the Child
Edited: 11/02/2009 at 07:27 PM by nancyu
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 11/02/2009 07:27 PM
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QueenJ Executive Member

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Originally posted by: nancyu
Hmmm... no one posted their stories of how they waited too late to have an early abortion...so they had to have a late one??
Come again?
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 11/02/2009 07:35 PM
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QueenJ Executive Member

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The classic categorization of posterior urethral valves into types I, II, and III was developed by Young et al in 19191 (see Anatomy, Types of posterior urethral valves) and has undergone modification over time based on clinical observation and better understanding of the embryologic events that lead to normal urethral development.
Regardless of the type of valve, however, all valves essentially obstruct normal bladder emptying. This mechanical obstruction increases voiding pressures and may alter normal development of the fetal bladder and kidneys. Typically, children with higher degrees of obstruction present earlier with the most severe symptoms. A spectrum of signs and symptoms ranging from severe obstruction with resultant renal failure and pulmonary hypoplasia to mild obstructive symptoms of voiding dysfunction may be noted.
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 11/02/2009 07:39 PM
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QueenJ Executive Member

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Mortality rates of pulmonary hypoplasia are high during the neonatal period, and 71-95% of deaths are due to severe respiratory compromise. The mortality rate is higher in cases involving premature deliveries, marked oligohydramnios, or premature rupture of the membranes.
Pneumothorax and respiratory distress are common in these infants.
A lethal type of pulmonary hypoplasia is acinar aplasia, where the alveolar ducts are not developed, resulting in the absence of gas exchange and early death.
Acute renal failure means that your kidneys have suddenly stopped working. Your kidneys remove waste products and help balance water and salt and other minerals (electrolytes) in your blood. When your kidneys stop working, waste products, fluids, and electrolytes build up in your body. This can cause problems that can be deadly.
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Until every woman, everywhere is able to easily access safe, legal, private, affordable abortions, for whatever reason, at any time, on demand, without interference from outside parties and most importantly - without apology or shame.
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 11/02/2009 09:34 PM
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Billson Junior Member

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Very few pro-lifers will say that abortion should be banned to save the mother's life. Other than that, there are no excuses for it. Forcing the man to take care of his children is by far a superior solution to this issue than mass murder.
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Because in the absence of certainty, when choice and life are set at each others' throats in their bitter and terrible struggle, there can be only one victor. Life is all.
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 11/02/2009 09:43 PM
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Shenanigans Senior Executive

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Excuse my profantity, but what a load of fu*king bullsh1t.
If the pregnancy is such a danger to the woman's health, what in the hell is she doing spending a couple of days in a hotel without assistance from medical professionals, as she waits for seasweed to expand her cervix.
Its simply about women who want a "perfect" baby. Saw something the other day saying there has been an increase in older women having children and because of the risk of downs syndrome increasing after 30, there is thusly an increase in the abortion of downs children.
And Pro-Aborts harp on about how Pro-Lifers aren't rushing out to adopt "non-perfect" babies who aren't white, male, healthy newborns.
Seem its the pro-aborts who are killing those "non-perfect" foeti.
Bloody disgusting.
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 11/02/2009 09:50 PM
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saucie Executive Member

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Originally posted by: Shenanigans
Excuse my profantity, but what a load of fu*king bullsh1t.
If the pregnancy is such a danger to the woman's health, what in the hell is she doing spending a couple of days in a hotel without assistance from medical professionals, as she waits for seasweed to expand her cervix.
Its simply about women who want a "perfect" baby. Saw something the other day saying there has been an increase in older women having children and because of the risk of downs syndrome increasing after 30, there is thusly an increase in the abortion of downs children.
And Pro-Aborts harp on about how Pro-Lifers aren't rushing out to adopt "non-perfect" babies who aren't white, male, healthy newborns.
Seem its the pro-aborts who are killing those "non-perfect" foeti.
Bloody disgusting.
Absolutley right.
That anyone could possibly think there could be an excuse for this is staggering all on it's own.
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A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. - Edward R. Murrow The first liberal was satan.
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 11/02/2009 09:52 PM
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saucie Executive Member

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Originally posted by: Billson
Very few pro-lifers will say that abortion should be banned to save the mother's life. Other than that, there are no excuses for it. Forcing the man to take care of his children is by far a superior solution to this issue than mass murder.
The informed know that abortion was never illegal when it truly came to saving the life of the mother.
But, that fact doesn't matter to the proaborts, they need to keep finding excuses to beat prolifers over the head with their continued lies.
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A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. - Edward R. Murrow The first liberal was satan.
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