So, to Queen, and all the other happy pro-choicers here, esp. the "all through pregnancy for any reason" type:

I would very much like to know how an invdividual gets to the point where they can support abortion at any stage of pregnancy for any reason. What's your mindset?

Now before you harp in on your arguments about bodily autonomy and the ZEF not being human and donation and et al, what I'm inquiring is what events in your life, or life experiences or words of wisdom have you heard that makes you reach that conclusion?

Did you know someone who coat hangered?

Did you at once support abortion till a certain point, for a certain reason or for no reason?

I'll advise you, if you've had an abortion, not to make that public as there are enough threads filled with "murdering whore roach arse poop eating hillbilly obama spongebob spaghetti" bullocks.

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I feel like I shouldn't be posting here, as I am, in fact, pro-life, but I might be able to shed some light on it.

Here in the Northwest, it's just the way people think. We have comedians that make snide comments about Bush and about any political view he espouses, teachers that will point out in passing "which is why *insert Republican idea here* is only held by complete morons, and a general vibe of pro-choice.

It's not that people arrive at the conclusion that the baby isn't a person, they gradually have it programmed into their heads until they're old enough to actually understand what the issue is.

The only reasons I was saved from such delusions were 1) A summer with my very intelligent, very kind hearted Catholic grandmother that seemed very reasonable and empathetic about her pro-life views and 2) A philosophy class that inspired me to actually think about issues beyond what people kept drilling into my head to think of them.

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Because in the absence of certainty, when choice and life are set at each others' throats in their bitter and terrible struggle, there can be only one victor. Life is all.

I don't mind that you answered. Every answer sheds a little bit of light on this debacle that is abortion.

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I opposed abortion when I was younger, but have changed my mind since. Personally, it is something that I would never want to have. But it isn't in my place to tell other women they can't. I think that the alteration of a woman's identity from a self-identified autonomous person to a mother are conditions she should have control over.

There are many things that bother me about the pro-life movement--the rosy view of pregnancy, the notion that women should submit without complaint to this dramatic change in body and identity because it's "natural," and the belief that those who don't want to be mothers lack some core element of womanhood.

Women are not passive participants in gestation. They don't just sit back and allow the miracle to take place. The "miracle" is powered by the vital elements of their own bodies: their blood, oxygen, hormones, and energy. Pro-lifers describe fetuses as if the difference between them and an autonomous individual is a mere matter of location. It's not. An autonomous individual does not depend on the vital bodily resources of another person. Pro-lifers seem to take for granted that a fetus's "right to life" automatically takes precedence over the rights of the owner of body in which it inhabits.

It is exactly your place to tell women that they can NOT kill their own child. If you don't who will? Planned Parenthood? They SELL abortions. That is how they make their living. If you are selling vacuum cleaners do you tell your customer that they DON'T need one?

Look at this.

Pregnancy Options Info:

http://www.pregnancyoptions.info/

As you see it asks one question. "Is this the right time to bring a new life into the world through my body?"

Then, the woman can choose from three possible answers "NO", " YES", and "I DON'T KNOW"

Now if a woman chooses "NO", she is given info regarding abortion. If she chooses "I DON'T KNOW" She is giving info regarding abortion. If she chooses YES, she is given info regarding abortion! Why? She is ready to be a parent, she wants her child, WHY do they THINK she would want info on ABORTION.

You think spit, that it is not your place to tell a woman she CAN'T kill her child. Ask yourself this question: WHY do you think it is your place to tell a woman that she CAN? Are you in the abortion biz? Do you get a commission on the hit?



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All unborn children are persons
Abortion is NOT LEGAL
Read the Constitution
Defend the Child

You need to back away from the computer, take a few deep breaths, and calm the hell down, Nancy.
You're talking nothing but NONSENSE.
First of all, the site you linked to? What connection or affiliation does it even have with Planned Parenthood?
And second, the ONLY option they discuss is abortion?
Then what is this?



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Until every woman, everywhere is able to easily access safe, legal, private, affordable abortions, for whatever reason, at any time, on demand, without interference from outside parties and most importantly - without apology or shame.

Off the rails and picking up speed, destination unknown. That just sounds like the biggest crock of crap to me. Not even close to the real truth of your motivation.

Everyone has two reasons for every thing they say or do.. A Good Reason.. and The Real Reason. That was your good one.

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We say grace and we say Ma'am and
if you aint into that we don't give a Damn.
-Hank Williams Jr. (Country Boy Can Survive) -circa 1981

So.. you've had a break through. Good for you.

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We say grace and we say Ma'am and
if you aint into that we don't give a Damn.
-Hank Williams Jr. (Country Boy Can Survive) -circa 1981

Don't keep us hanging like that, leftsnemesis! Do tell, what is the *insert spooky, ominous music here* REAL reason behind our (the pro-abortionallthetimeeverytimewecantgetenoughofabortionomgbbqlolwtfABORTIONYAY!) motivation?

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Until every woman, everywhere is able to easily access safe, legal, private, affordable abortions, for whatever reason, at any time, on demand, without interference from outside parties and most importantly - without apology or shame.

You can't find fault in the actual words that I've said so you've resorted to making stuff up? Good to know where you're at, man, good too know.

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Until every woman, everywhere is able to easily access safe, legal, private, affordable abortions, for whatever reason, at any time, on demand, without interference from outside parties and most importantly - without apology or shame.

so it's ok to kill an unborn kid just because he's attached to his mom and his life depends on her?
you said you were pro-life. it's not like you suddenly had a flash of light and came to this conclusion... please explain why you think this reason is good enough to have him dismembered and thrown in the trash. you didn't think that before.

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"Let the little children come to Me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

ROTFLMAO... sure Queeny, that's it, your words are just too darn strong, (smelling).

I think I've discovered one of your weaknesses, Queen-For-A-Day, you can't take a joke. Thin skinned and Hell bound.. quite a combo. You know,.. when you get hit like that, it would better serve your image to respond with something like; "Good one.. nice burn!" and then come back with a quick one of your own. Mind you that this is you're one and only free personality lesson. From here on out.. it's going to cost you.

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We say grace and we say Ma'am and
if you aint into that we don't give a Damn.
-Hank Williams Jr. (Country Boy Can Survive) -circa 1981

Don't keep us hanging like that, leftsnemesis! Do tell, what is the *insert spooky, ominous music here* REAL reason behind our (the pro-abortionallthetimeeverytimewecantgetenoughofabortionomgbbqlolwtfABORTIONYAY!) motivation?

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Until every woman, everywhere is able to easily access safe, legal, private, affordable abortions, for whatever reason, at any time, on demand, without interference from outside parties and most importantly - without apology or shame.

What I said was, "You can't find fault in the actual words that I've said so you've resorted to making stuff up?"
I see fault. I see actual. I see stuff. I'm not seeing strong or strength or any other word alluding to the prowess of my words. Freudian slip on your part, perhaps? Although, my words must have some heft to them since the only insult (if you can call it that) you could come up with is that they ... smell.


I can take jokes just fine. They do have to, at the very least, rise above the kindergarten level for me to really take much interest in them, though.


You said that my words ... ... ... smell. Maybe that's hard-hitting, edgy comedy where you live, but my 3-year-old niece can come up with better stuff than that. I was left wanting when I read your "nice burn."


It's going to cost me? What is it going to cost me? Brain cells? Second-hand embarrassment?

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Until every woman, everywhere is able to easily access safe, legal, private, affordable abortions, for whatever reason, at any time, on demand, without interference from outside parties and most importantly - without apology or shame.

Go wash your mouth out with lye.

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A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. - Edward R. Murrow

The first liberal was satan.

Yeah, that tends to happen, especially if junior isn't at the point of viability yet.



Then killing the ZEF won't help her, getting her solid mental health care will.

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