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please explain your personal experience with it.

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Edited: 11/07/2009 at 09:42 AM by sweet
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Explain what? I don't get what you are asking.

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 11/07/2009 09:40 AM
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If you had an abortion............you killed a living human being.

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 11/07/2009 12:33 PM
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at the time of the first abortion, I was 15. I was a runaway. I was working as an escort....I didn't know what to do, there was no help, no were to go, and the people I worked for told me to get "it taken care of" I wasn't stupid, I knew I was pregnant with a baby and that abortion would stop it from being born....but I felt like I had no choices.....it was the only mature decision I could make. I didn't know anything about fetal development, and part of me wanted to keep the baby, but I couldn't figure out how to take care of it and earn a living.....I felt bad but saw abortion as the only logical choice. I was using drugs, working in the sex business and was unable to take care of myself as a minor, much less a baby.
From my perspective, having a baby was impossible.
The second abortion was 8 months later and the same situtation was operating in my life. Nothing had changed and I ended up going back and terminating that pregnancy as well.
The last one was because my boyfriend dumped me for someone else, and I did it to get back at him.....because he was prolife....and I wanted to punish him...
I was harder and more into the survival mode back then.....but there were suicide attempts, drug addiciton and just simply hating myself, not just the abortions but everything in my life was a mess....I was completely incapable of raising a child.

the whole horror of the choice didn't really hit me till years and years later and it just broke my heart to pieces....which is why I am prolife now.

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 11/07/2009 02:22 PM
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God bless you carolemarie. And you are Christs and He has forgiven you. We have an awesome God don't we? Amen

I got pregnant and got an abortion because I would have been big for the wedding. I was engaged and it would have screwed things up. I was young and scared and I too knew that an abortion would end the pregnancy. I went to PP and they took my money, no counseling, no info about fetal development. I had no idea that the heart started beating at around twenty days etc. That is no excuse but I was very very blind and certainly not walking right with God.

Years later (fifteen to be exact) when my sister had her preemie at 22 weeks, a nurse at the hospital mentioned that it was a miracle and sad that woman could abort at 22 weeks. We got talking and she told me more about fetal development. I had a panic attack right there and suffered from depression and suicidal thoughts for years after. It almost broke my marriage up and life was hell. It happened to be my husbands child and he did not share my devestation which made things worse. I searched the scriptures to see if I could find anything that would get me off the hook. No such lcuk. In the eyes of God I murdered my child.

I walked in darkness and denial for years and then on 9-11 as the building came tumbling down, I got on my hands and knees and ask Jesus to save me. He did and changed my life.

I want woman to know that there is hope and forgiveness with God. He is a just but loving God and will hear our prayers and petitions. Those of us who have had abortions should share with others that are hurting what God has done for us and what only He can do for them.

Thanks for sharing CaroleMarie.

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 11/07/2009 06:42 PM
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I am glad you never felt you had to make that choice.....abortion is never an easy choice for anyone, but sometimes it seems like it is the best one....
but the best solution is never to be in that position, which is why we should work with anyone who will help reduce the number of abortions....
The life of a single mom is hard, very hard. Many men don't pay support and it is hard without skills to support yourself, much less a child and pay for childcare...
we need to help single moms help themselves so having a child is easier to do....

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 11/07/2009 06:56 PM
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that is so wonderful! Thank you for caring for them

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 11/07/2009 07:00 PM
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haha.....you know it isn't just when the baby is little, but for the next 18 years....it is a staggering responsibility for just one person....

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 11/07/2009 07:20 PM
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I think God's heart is for single moms and we should love and support them, pass laws to protect women and children and help them with daycare and all the rest....

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 11/10/2009 10:25 AM
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I think so too carole. But we have to get back to teaching kids right from wrong scripturally so pregnancy does not happen.

Sex outside marriage is wrong. Abortion is wrong and NEVER SHOULD BE AN OPTION unless the womans life is in danger.

How can kids today know what morals are when parents dont even follow them?

We should however help single mothers every way we can.

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 11/10/2009 10:58 AM
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I'll admit I have no personal experience with abortion, but something I read made me even more prolife than I was before- an article about how the men who accompany women to the abortion mills often come out looking relieved. That made me realize that they may have been pretending to go with her only to offer comfort, but in reality they were mostly there to make sure she went through with it. How sweet.
P.S. I know this may sound odd, but I think it's nicer of a man to say something like "If you want to have and keep the baby, I won't force you not to, but I don't want to be involved in any way." then to pressure her into an abortion, which sounds like what at least some of these "relieved" men may have done.

Edited: 11/10/2009 at 10:59 AM by JosieCashew
 11/10/2009 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by: carolemarie

at the time of the first abortion, I was 15. I was a runaway. I was working as an escort....I didn't know what to do, there was no help, no were to go, and the people I worked for told me to get "it taken care of" I wasn't stupid, I knew I was pregnant with a baby and that abortion would stop it from being born....but I felt like I had no choices.....it was the only mature decision I could make. I didn't know anything about fetal development, and part of me wanted to keep the baby, but I couldn't figure out how to take care of it and earn a living.....I felt bad but saw abortion as the only logical choice. I was using drugs, working in the sex business and was unable to take care of myself as a minor, much less a baby.

From my perspective, having a baby was impossible.

The second abortion was 8 months later and the same situtation was operating in my life. Nothing had changed and I ended up going back and terminating that pregnancy as well.

The last one was because my boyfriend dumped me for someone else, and I did it to get back at him.....because he was prolife....and I wanted to punish him...

I was harder and more into the survival mode back then.....but there were suicide attempts, drug addiciton and just simply hating myself, not just the abortions but everything in my life was a mess....I was completely incapable of raising a child.



the whole horror of the choice didn't really hit me till years and years later and it just broke my heart to pieces....which is why I am prolife now.
WOW...that is alot to carry. Good to know your eyes are now open and you're on the right track now. may God continue to guide you and cover you on your journey!

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 11/10/2009 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by: churchmouse

God bless you carolemarie. And you are Christs and He has forgiven you. We have an awesome God don't we? Amen



I got pregnant and got an abortion because I would have been big for the wedding. I was engaged and it would have screwed things up. I was young and scared and I too knew that an abortion would end the pregnancy. I went to PP and they took my money, no counseling, no info about fetal development. I had no idea that the heart started beating at around twenty days etc. That is no excuse but I was very very blind and certainly not walking right with God.



Years later (fifteen to be exact) when my sister had her preemie at 22 weeks, a nurse at the hospital mentioned that it was a miracle and sad that woman could abort at 22 weeks. We got talking and she told me more about fetal development. I had a panic attack right there and suffered from depression and suicidal thoughts for years after. It almost broke my marriage up and life was hell. It happened to be my husbands child and he did not share my devestation which made things worse. I searched the scriptures to see if I could find anything that would get me off the hook. No such lcuk. In the eyes of God I murdered my child.



I walked in darkness and denial for years and then on 9-11 as the building came tumbling down, I got on my hands and knees and ask Jesus to save me. He did and changed my life.



I want woman to know that there is hope and forgiveness with God. He is a just but loving God and will hear our prayers and petitions. Those of us who have had abortions should share with others that are hurting what God has done for us and what only He can do for them.



Thanks for sharing CaroleMarie.
awesome testimony! may God continue to guide you and cover you. may others learn from your experience. thanks for sharing.

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 11/10/2009 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by: carolemarie

I think God's heart is for single moms and we should love and support them, pass laws to protect women and children and help them with daycare and all the rest....


yes, the widow and fatherless particularly should not be mistreated.

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 11/10/2009 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by: JosieCashew

I'll admit I have no personal experience with abortion, but something I read made me even more prolife than I was before- an article about how the men who accompany women to the abortion mills often come out looking relieved. That made me realize that they may have been pretending to go with her only to offer comfort, but in reality they were mostly there to make sure she went through with it. How sweet.

P.S. I know this may sound odd, but I think it's nicer of a man to say something like "If you want to have and keep the baby, I won't force you not to, but I don't want to be involved in any way." then to pressure her into an abortion, which sounds like what at least some of these "relieved" men may have done.
the men involved are definately just as guilty.

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 11/10/2009 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by: carolemarie

I think God's heart is for single moms and we should love and support them, pass laws to protect women and children and help them with daycare and all the rest....


God's heart is for families, men and woman who raise the children they conceive in love within the bonds of marriage. But I do wish that society was as good at rebuking fathers of singles mothers children as society is at celebrating single mothers. Where there is a single mother there is often some dirtbag man who was just as irresponsible as the woman was. Society often acts as if women become pregnant on their own and worse, as if fathers should have nothing to do with raising children. Some women's husbands do simply walk away and are sinlge mothers through no fault of their own. Other times mothers simply walk away and fathers are left to raise children alone. My own cousin raised his daughter alone with the help of his parents.

I have asked this before and I'll ask it again...

How many women abort without ever informing the father of the child that she was pregnant?


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 11/10/2009 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by: JosieCashew

I'll admit I have no personal experience with abortion, but something I read made me even more prolife than I was before- an article about how the men who accompany women to the abortion mills often come out looking relieved. That made me realize that they may have been pretending to go with her only to offer comfort, but in reality they were mostly there to make sure she went through with it. How sweet.

P.S. I know this may sound odd, but I think it's nicer of a man to say something like "If you want to have and keep the baby, I won't force you not to, but I don't want to be involved in any way." then to pressure her into an abortion, which sounds like what at least some of these "relieved" men may have done.


A previous guy flatmate got his friend prego from a one night stand after too much to drink, he basically told her what youv'e mentioned that article said, the whole "whatever you want I will support", and he accompanied her to the abortion clinic, sat in there and held her hand while his child was killed.

From what he described after, and I met her myself some time later, they both regretted it deeply. He wished he'd stood up for his child, and she wished he had, because if he'd had she wouldn't have done it.

Their lack of communication, despite being "best friends" took the life of their child, and scarred theirs'.

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Originally posted by: Augustine

How many women abort without ever informing the father of the child that she was pregnant?


I'd like to see some study done on this, but from my own personal knowledge, I know quite a few women who have aborted and not told the father. Reasons ranged from "It wasn't his business" to "I thought he'd dump me", to "the father was my boyfriend's/partner's/husband's best friend/brother" to "I wanted to stick him where it'd hurt" et al.

I'm sure there's just as many reasons women keep their mouths shut as there is as to why they justify abortion to themselves.

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