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Like most people, I'm always trying to get to the bottom of things and recently, due to arguments disguised as debate in this very forum, I was led by reasoning and remembrance down a rather short path to a revelation of sorts.

This is not my main point but I must first assert that I am personally certain that a primary causal factor for the existence of abortion, (and it's fervent and over-zealous cadre of supporters), is the fact that human beings are extremely sexual. We are a very sexy species indeed. According to the discovery channel, (rolls eyes), we are the sexiest species on the planet. Biologist inform us that, on average, our sex organs are larger per pound of body weight than any other mammal and our entire skin envelope is one huge erogenous zone. I also heard it said that the human brain is our most potent sex related organ of all by way of our natural instincts and our capacity for erotic thought.

This goes a long way toward explaining our often uncontrolled urges to fornicate. Even so, I have never been comfortable with this explanation alone, as it relates to the huge global incidence of unplanned pregnancies. Since understanding this phenomenon is key to developing a strategy for prevention of unplanned pregnancy, this is the point in greatest need of pondering. The pro-lifers know that the actual root problem of irresponsible behavior is what causes most unplanned pregnancies.. and the pro-aborti declare that it is none of anyone else's business what a women may choose to do with her body. Who among us hasn't engaged in this argument? I am not about to relent in my assertions that irresponsible sexual behavior is a very realistic and accurate assessment of the problem, however, I have come upon another idea that I now know is most likely the root of the root, so to speak.

Please consider with me the very basic need of the average Human Being.. for approval. There are many words that describe this need, = acceptance, validation, affirmation, all describe our individual need to feel like, I'm OK, I have value, I'm good enough for someone to love. The highest form of acceptance we can feel is one in the context of intimacy. Intimacy can be had in many forms but the intimacy I'm referring to is physical intimacy and of course the form of physical intimacy I'm referencing is sexual intimacy. This is the ultimate intimacy and, as such, offers up some highly prized and sought after elements. It embodies love, trust, submission, and conquest, and it's rewards are not only exhilarating but serve to quench and placate us, but more importantly, it offers us a profound form of personal acceptance.

Personal acceptance is among the top five basic Human emotional needs. It may well be number one. This need is in evidence everywhere we look. This need, in it's generic form, (not necessarily sexual), is what's at the root of my love for my wife and family. It's what makes me cherish my friends so very much. It is the basis of the desire for celebrity. It's all and everything to the human spirit. It is the very thing I love about Jesus the most.

On the other hand, a lack of personal acceptance can be devastating. How many emotional disorders emulate from it? Our entire self esteem can be crushed by rejection, as our very sense of self is completely dependent on personal acceptance by others. Hundreds of examples come to mind.

Unfortunately, while in the fevered pursuit of acceptance, we may often stumble. Could it be that sex partners may end up having unprotected intercourse as result of this issue of personal acceptance. In the heat of passion, does a woman, in her urgent desire for intimate acceptance, find it difficult to stop her partner and demand he use a contraceptive? This, in itself, is a rejection of the man. It is a rejection of his sperm and many men are very sensitive and resistant to this rejection and will employ charm, passionate persuasion, and even sometimes force, in order to overcome it. If a woman were to try to suddenly stop, in the heat of the moment, and run to the bath to employ a cervical cap or contraceptive foam doesn't this cause the same reaction in the man? In my very distant past I have been in this situation, (guilty as charged), and I can personally guarantee you that I didn't care for the romance interuptus one bit. At the time I doubt that I was consciously thinking, "Oh geeze, I feel like I'm being rejected", but I can tell you in hindsight, that this is exactly what I was feeling. I can also guarantee you that, after the fact, I was very happy in deed that it went down the way that it did. Whew!

So here we have two guilty parties. I guess we knew this all along. Both the woman and the man are seeking personal acceptance through intimacy and the woman is sensitive to the potential of making her man feel rejected. Add in a couple of six packs of beer, (or not), and we have what we have. A whole bunch of women in trouble. Oh, what to do, what to do?

I offer this pondering, not as a solution, but as a way to better understand the enormity of the root problem of human hyper-sexuality and emotional need that has led us to our present abortion epidemic.

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Edited: 11/05/2009 at 10:45 PM by leftsnemesis
 11/05/2009 12:27 AM
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I would think the best solution would be education. I was shocked to discover how many girls around me that I cared about were at risk of getting themselves hurt, because they equated "a man that wants to have sex with them" with "a man that loves them."

If they knew about the real hardships of life and how to look out for them more effectively, they'd be better equipped to avoid a situation in which they might be desperate enough to consider abortion an option.

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 11/05/2009 12:37 AM
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You're preaching to the choir, leftsnemesis, PREACHING TO THE CHOIR! I can personally attest to the fact that each and every one of my many abortions has been the result of my inability to resist the magic and wonder that is sperm.

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 11/05/2009 01:25 AM
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Originally posted by: QueenJ

You're preaching to the choir, leftsnemesis, PREACHING TO THE CHOIR! I can personally attest to the fact that each and every one of my many abortions has been the result of my inability to resist the magic and wonder that is sperm.


That doesn't bode well for the sex ed or BC push.

As for us being sexual beings, we'll we're also geared up to be incredibly violent and blood thirsty, but we don't just shrug and say "education" about that one.

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 11/05/2009 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by: QueenJ

You're preaching to the choir, leftsnemesis, PREACHING TO THE CHOIR! I can personally attest to the fact that each and every one of my many abortions has been the result of my inability to resist the magic and wonder that is sperm.


Hey, Queen of denial, have another drink.

So what you mean to say is that my opinion is just that.. and you are a.. ? Can someone please help me finish that last sentence?

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 11/05/2009 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by: leftsnemesis

Originally posted by: QueenJ



You're preaching to the choir, leftsnemesis, PREACHING TO THE CHOIR! I can personally attest to the fact that each and every one of my many abortions has been the result of my inability to resist the magic and wonder that is sperm.


Hey, Queen of denial, have another drink.

So what you mean to say is that my opinion is just that.. and you are a.. ? Can someone please help me finish that last sentence?


I don't have much time this morning.....oh the possiblities of filling in that blank are endless.
Shall I start alphabetically?

Queen of absolutley nothing of value hasn't the IQ to understand the premis of your post.
It's excellent and spot on.

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Edited: 11/05/2009 at 10:07 AM by saucie
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The myth is that sex is either necessarily acceptance or intimacy. Sex is a physical letting in of the other person but often only on a physical level. It's intimate in the sense that people reveal their bodies to one another. Intercourse is not necessarily love however. Real intimacy is more of the mind and requires the consent of the will beyond merely taking an action with your body. Sexual intercourse often leads to alienation and confusion rather than any emotional clarity. We are sexual creatures to be sure. We are also moral creatures that often deny that morality. Sexual intercourse is not an accident. It's the result of a series of choices and sadly more often bad choices rather than good ones.

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 11/05/2009 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by: saucie
Queen of absolutley nothing of value hasn't the IQ to understand the premis of your post.

It's excellent and spot on.

Oh, saucie, will you please help me in seeing the light? Tell me exactly what the "premis" of this post is?

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 11/05/2009 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by: leftsnemesis
Hey, Queen of denial, have another drink.

So what you mean to say is that my opinion is just that.. and you are a.. ? Can someone please help me finish that last sentence?

leftsnemesis, you've GOT to stop leaving us hanging with your responses. It kills. Oh, how it kills. Just spell it out for us already.

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 11/05/2009 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by: QueenJ

Originally posted by: leftsnemesis

Hey, Queen of denial, have another drink.



So what you mean to say is that my opinion is just that.. and you are a.. ? Can someone please help me finish that last sentence?


leftsnemesis, you've GOT to stop leaving us hanging with your responses. It kills. Oh, how it kills. Just spell it out for us already.
it kills? then you should really like that! (hopefully not)

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 11/05/2009 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by: QueenJ

Originally posted by: saucie

Queen of absolutley nothing of value hasn't the IQ to understand the premis of your post.



It's excellent and spot on.


Oh, saucie, will you please help me in seeing the light? Tell me exactly what the "premis" of this post is?


If you're trying to point out I left the e off of premise that still makes you queenofnothing and leaves your IQ in single digits.

Go back and read it slowly this time.
Let us know if I have your IQ too high or not.

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 11/05/2009 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by: sweet

Originally posted by: QueenJ



Originally posted by: leftsnemesis



Hey, Queen of denial, have another drink.







So what you mean to say is that my opinion is just that.. and you are a.. ? Can someone please help me finish that last sentence?




leftsnemesis, you've GOT to stop leaving us hanging with your responses. It kills. Oh, how it kills. Just spell it out for us already.
it kills? then you should really like that! (hopefully not)


I know, right? Because pro-choicers are ALL about killing. Killing everything everywhere everytime. Making certain to stamp out the life of breath from anything living we come in contact with.

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Originally posted by: QueenJ

Originally posted by: sweet

Originally posted by: QueenJ

Originally posted by: leftsnemesis

Hey, Queen of denial, have another drink.


So what you mean to say is that my opinion is just that.. and you are a.. ? Can someone please help me finish that last sentence?


leftsnemesis, you've GOT to stop leaving us hanging with your responses. It kills. Oh, how it kills. Just spell it out for us already.
it kills? then you should really like that! (hopefully not)


I know, right? Because pro-choicers are ALL about killing. Killing everything everywhere everytime. Making certain to stamp out the life of breath from anything living we come in contact with.


At least you admit it and it's about freaking time!

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 11/05/2009 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Argern

Originally posted by: saucie



At least you admit it and it's about freaking time!




F**k yeah! I killed me a whole neighbourhood the other night, TWICE!

They were all real surprised when I came back to kill them again.

Should have seen the looks on their faces.


Plan on growing up anytime soon...or are you just going to show us all how big and bad you are by using the f word?
Could you possibly get anymore pathetic....think not.

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 11/05/2009 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by: joueravecfou

Says the senior citizen who has nothing to say beyond what a 5 year old could make up. The irony is pathetic and hilarious!


Shut up.
You're a worthless piece of crap...you've been owned so many times on this board it's pathetic.
If you had an ounce of self respect you'd crawl back under your slimy rock where you belong.

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 11/05/2009 10:30 PM
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Saucie is right, I don't think QueenJ quite understood that the beginning post wasn't really about the abortion issue per se. I may have taken at shot at the proaborti out of habit and self entertainment, but the main thrust of the posting was neither pro, nor anti, abortion. I'm guessing that she figured that out once she sobered up a bit.. so I say we give her a pass on this one.

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 11/05/2009 11:06 PM
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ARGERN IS A PREVIOUSLY BANNED MEMBER OF THIS FORUM.

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People that support abortion are narrow minded, morally frail, passively cruel, constitutionally weak, emotionally impaired and are in every way, humanly disadvantaged.

I AM A PRO-LIFE PERSON!

Edited: 11/05/2009 at 11:07 PM by Augustine
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Argern, I'm kind of new around here so I don't rememeber you from before and I was wondering, can you tell me more about yourself. It's interesting, the avatar you've selected appears to represent an older woman with gray hair but your writing style and word choices suggest that you are a young man. What can you share with me about yourself? For example, I'd like to know, where do you hail from? Where do you work? What is your phone number? What is your exact address? What is your social security number? Where do you keep your money? What medical problems do you have? Any psychiatric issues? Did you get beat up a lot in school? How long did you Mom have to keep a rubber mattress cover on your bed? How many of your acquaintances have you betrayed? What does feces taste like? Have you ever been locked up? Are you locked up now? Are you really a woman or are you a man dressed as a woman? Have you ever been chocked unconscious by your gay lover? Have you ever ate human flesh or drank human blood? How often do you rape children?

You know.. things like that, just so I/we might get to know you better.

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 11/06/2009 01:33 PM
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VEXING? IS THAT YOU VEXING?

Inappropriate! Entirely inappropriate!


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People that support abortion are narrow minded, morally frail, passively cruel, constitutionally weak, emotionally impaired and are in every way, humanly disadvantaged.

I AM A PRO-LIFE PERSON!

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Originally posted by: Argern

Originally posted by: Augustine



VEXING? IS THAT YOU VEXING?

Inappropriate! Entirely inappropriate!




LOL, what I said was inappropriate?

Hahahaha!

Honey, did you read what I was responding to?


At least he didn't have his penis hacked off because he thought he was a woman. How's that facial hair removal coming Vex? Anybody mistake you for a woman yet?

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