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 11/10/2009 09:19 AM
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sweet Executive Member
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Originally posted by: lukesmom
Originally posted by: sweet
and guess what--they are now ages 5yrs, 3yrs, 1yr, and 3months. how did these pregnancies come about? all--the same way--i CHOSE to spread my legs--repeat--I--CHOSE----the babies are INNOCENT. I knew i had the option of paying someone to kill them for me--legally--that way i could be free to spread my legs again and again with no consequences nor responsibilities. instead, i CHOSE to accept the consequences/responsibilities that DO and SHOULD come with CHOOSING to spread my legs! i'm really getting fed up with people punishing the child for their own selfish choices/"mistakes."
You sound like a wonderful human being and mother who was blessed with faith and acceptance and are now reaping the joy in your little ones. Blessed are you! thanks...to God be the glory!
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11/14/2009 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by: leftsnemesis
I disagree, she most certainly does have the right to decide that for other women.
We are our brothers', (sisters') keepers.
If I were to witness you on the verge of doing something that would most certainly bring harm to another person, it would be my moral obligation to humanity to stop you. Your wanton acts could force me to harm or, perhaps even, kill you if it were to become necessary. I would risk and have risked personal harm and threat of death to defend the innocent. Whether your victims were geriatric or gestating, I would be compelled to take decisive action against you.
It is you that has no moral right to decide what a rescuer might choose to do.
So, you stand outside clinics that provide abortions? Use your finely honed ESP skills to differentiate between women going in for their pap smears and women going in for their abortions? Then physically restrain these women from stepping inside the clinic? And then if the woman puts up a fight and breaks free from your grasp and once again attempts to enter the clinic, you break out your gun from your holster and shoot her?
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Until every woman, everywhere is able to easily access safe, legal, private, affordable abortions, for whatever reason, at any time, on demand, without interference from outside parties and most importantly - without apology or shame.
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11/14/2009 09:06 PM
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Well. I'm a healthy 21-year-old with a sexual drive. I do not intend to keep my legs closed (sex is fun!), and even though I'm on birth control and my hubby aint getting any when I took the pill irregularily (to his chagrin), I can still get pregnant, and I know that. I also know that, should I get pregnant, I'll get an abortion, as I'm not willing to go through 9 months of torture to deliver a baby I do not even want, and I can not afford.
Each his own, me thinks.
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11/14/2009 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by: Imaginary
Well. I'm a healthy 21-year-old with a sexual drive. I do not intend to keep my legs closed (sex is fun!), and even though I'm on birth control and my hubby aint getting any when I took the pill irregularily (to his chagrin), I can still get pregnant, and I know that. I also know that, should I get pregnant, I'll get an abortion, as I'm not willing to go through 9 months of torture to deliver a baby I do not even want, and I can not afford.
Each his own, me thinks.
I would shudder at the thought of you strangling an unwanted cat, and being so cold as to respond, "to each his own," let alone doing likewise to your own child.
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11/15/2009 07:49 PM
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Imaginary Member
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Originally posted by: B0zo
I would shudder at the thought of you strangling an unwanted cat, and being so cold as to respond, "to each his own," let alone doing likewise to your own child.
I would NEVER strangle a cat.
Hmpf.
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11/17/2009 10:11 AM
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sweet Executive Member
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Originally posted by: Imaginary
Well. I'm a healthy 21-year-old with a sexual drive. I do not intend to keep my legs closed (sex is fun!), and even though I'm on birth control and my hubby aint getting any when I took the pill irregularily (to his chagrin), I can still get pregnant, and I know that. I also know that, should I get pregnant, I'll get an abortion, as I'm not willing to go through 9 months of torture to deliver a baby I do not even want, and I can not afford.
Each his own, me thinks. you are young--i'm glad you like your sex drive while married--about this "torture"--i went through 36 months of being pregnant because i didn't intend on keeping my legs closed.(now have 4 beautiful kids)--believe me, i wouldnt call these blessings torture.
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11/17/2009 11:33 AM
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Sounds like this 21 year old is way immature to have sex. Sex is an adult freedom and as withany freedom comes responsiblity, which appears she has no clue. A responisble sexaully active person will go on BC if they want to prevent pregnancy, with all the methods on the market, there should be no excuse. But if it fails than they should also be prepared for a possible pregnancy.
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11/18/2009 09:00 AM
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Imaginary Member
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@Sweet: I'm glad they're a blessing for you. However, for me a pregnancy and a child would be torture as I can't handle kids at all, and I know that I would be on bedrest/hospitalised through a large chunk of my pregnancy.
@Scopia19822: I'm glad you are so mature and perfect and whatelse. However, each his opinion. And yours won't stop me from sleeping with my boyfriend. I am protected by my pill, and often a condom as well. I also do not have sex when I took my pill irregularily. And I am aware of the fact that I can get pregnant. But, consenting to sex =/= consenting to pregnancy, and thus I deal with the consequences by taking the morning after pill or having an abortion. Or would you rather have I give birth and dumb the baby in a dumpster, like a girl did 3 months ago?
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11/18/2009 10:59 AM
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saucie Executive Member
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Originally posted by: Imaginary
Originally posted by: B0zo
I would shudder at the thought of you strangling an unwanted cat, and being so cold as to respond, "to each his own," let alone doing likewise to your own child.
I would NEVER strangle a cat.
Hmpf.
And that says alot about you...talk about hmpf!
You'd murder your very own son or daughter and spare a cat.
That's as bass akwards and sick as a human can possibly get.
Didn't your parents like you, didn't they teach you any type of kindness, or love or decency towards humans?
If you got pregnant, that would be your own son or daughter. You would still be a mother, only of a dead son or daughter and at your own hands, no less.
Have you ever been pregnant? How can you know it's "torture"? It's no such thing, btw. Women are actually capable of carrying humanity and leading a full, productive, well adjusted, successful life. We're not all idiots and selfish to the hilt.
I'm trying to understand what kind of enviorment lets you believe that children are disposable and less worthy of life than cats. My conclusion so far is that it's the same enviorment that led to death camps and slave ownership.
The child in the womb has been de-humanized just like the above.
How awful to share the same mindset as a nazi or slave owner, you must be so proud. 
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11/19/2009 01:55 PM
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sweet Executive Member
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Originally posted by: Imaginary
However, for me a pregnancy and a child would be torture as I can't handle kids at all, and I know that I would be on bedrest/hospitalised through a large chunk of my pregnancy. sorry you have such a negative view about the children you carry in your womb; however, they couldnt tell you how innocent they were in the same words that i'm telling you...maybe one day-- one of your children will actually live to eventually tell you. and believe me-- they do tell! each and every child tells! (at some time or another)
consenting to sex =/= consenting to pregnancy oh, but it is. it really, truly is.
1. you always know it's a possibility
2.you know that no bc is 100%.
and thus I deal with the consequences by taking the morning after pill or having an abortion. Or would you rather have I give birth and dumb the baby in a dumpster, like a girl did 3 months ago? i'm so sorry that you see your children only as consequences. maybe one day one may live to tell you and show you that a mere consequence can't Love. some thought that i was a consequence--you see, i was conceived out of wedlock, to a poor, uneducated, homeless 21 year old ---and guess what---this consequence speaking to you right now--was allowed to live and tell--to tell her mom and show her mom how much she could be Loved and adored by this consequence--i showed my mom that i Loved her in spite of the circumstances in which i was conceived--I Loved her in spite of the fact that she was hated/shunned/condemned by others--she looked this consequence straight in the eyes and Loved me too. and guess what else this consequence did--i went on to give my mom 4 grand-consequences--though she didnt live to see them (she's deceased now)--but i see them every day-- they are my 4 babies--yes, this consequence brought forth/gave birth to what some would condemn as only a consequence/punishment/torture. **to clarify** pregnancy is one of the consequences of sex...but it is also so, so much more.
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God is Love.Jesus is Christ.Father forgive us and deliver us from evil.
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11/19/2009 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by: sweet
and guess what--they are now ages 5yrs, 3yrs, 1yr, and 3months. how did these pregnancies come about? all--the same way--i CHOSE to spread my legs--repeat--I--CHOSE----the babies are INNOCENT. I knew i had the option of paying someone to kill them for me--legally--that way i could be free to spread my legs again and again with no consequences nor responsibilities. instead, i CHOSE to accept the consequences/responsibilities that DO and SHOULD come with CHOOSING to spread my legs! i'm really getting fed up with people punishing the child for their own selfish choices/"mistakes."
But since THE goal of the pro-abort version of 'feminism' is for females to be able to be as irresponsible, cruel, promiscuous, and violent as the lowest of the lowest of males - the scummy lounge lizards, deadbeat dads, rapists, and inflictors of violence against innocent children... they WANT to be able to have 'casual' meaningless sex and then KILL the innocent babies they concieve... they just don't get it why we sane responsible citizens are opposed to abortion.
It's as if they secretly do NOT beleive females are capable of being equal to males - not equal to the best of males anyway.
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11/19/2009 04:42 PM
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First of all, there's no comparing Hitler to a woman who had an abortion.
That being said...
You'd murder your very own son or daughter and spare a cat.
Yep. ^_^ Save for the fact that the fetus wouldn't have a gender yet, and wouldn't be my son or daughter yet. It would become my son or daughter, but since I aborted it, it didn't.
That's as bass akwards and sick as a human can possibly get.
Um, no. Many women who have an abortion would never kill a cat.
Didn't your parents like you, didn't they teach you any type of kindness, or love or decency towards humans?
To always be nice and polite, friendly, helpful, and not let anyone else tell me what to do. But fetuses aren't born yet and don't fall in that category.
If you got pregnant, that would be your own son or daughter. You would still be a mother, only of a dead son or daughter and at your own hands, no less.
your potential own son or daughter, as it would have been aborted. I would have become a mother if I had the kid. Since I didn't, no motherhood for me, hurray! And yep, I would have aborted it. Not killed. Or at least, ordered its abortion...
Have you ever been pregnant? How can you know it's "torture"? It's no such thing, btw. Women are actually capable of carrying humanity and leading a full, productive, well adjusted, successful life. We're not all idiots and selfish to the hilt.
I had a pregnancy scare once, so I took the morning after pill. Nothing else. It would be torture for me, as I suffer from blood poverty. I never said it was torture for everyone. Though I haven't heard any pregnant woman say that being pregnant is "fun, great and amazing!!" Most of the time they're ill, soar, and what else.
I'm trying to understand what kind of enviorment lets you believe that children are disposable and less worthy of life than cats. My conclusion so far is that it's the same enviorment that led to death camps and slave ownership.
I never said that a cat has more value than a kid. I did say that a cat has more value than a fetus, since the cat has been born already.
The child in the womb has been de-humanized just like the above.
The fetus in the womb is not a child yet, and might never even become one. It is human, but not a person, and thus does not deserve the same rights as its mother who is a person.
Not responding to the last since I know you won't even listen to anything I have to say on that matter.
Answering to Sweet in a new post since it's becoming one big mess.
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11/19/2009 05:05 PM
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Imaginary Member
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Originally posted by: sweet
Originally posted by: Imaginary
However, for me a pregnancy and a child would be torture as I can't handle kids at all, and I know that I would be on bedrest/hospitalised through a large chunk of my pregnancy.
Sorry you have such a negative view about the children you carry in your womb; however, they couldnt tell you how innocent they were in the same words that i'm telling you...maybe one day-- one of your children will actually live to eventually tell you. and believe me-- they do tell! each and every child tells! (at some time or another)
It's not about views, it's about my body that would have troubles nourishing an embryo. Before I took the Pill, I fainted or became sick every time I had my period. I got the Pill, and a warning that if I ever became pregnant that I'd have to be very cautious.I'd probably have to be an bedrest, and go get checkups every week or so.
I know how sweet and innocent children can be, as I often go babysitting. They can be angels, and they can be devils. but they're not something I want in my life.
consenting to sex =/= consenting to pregnancy
oh, but it is. it really, truly is.
1. you always know it's a possibility
2.you know that no bc is 100%.
So. Driving a car = consenting to an accident?
Since 1. I always know that it's a possibility.
2. While I may drive safe, someone else may not, and airbags aren't 100%.
and thus I deal with the consequences by taking the morning after pill or having an abortion. Or would you rather have I give birth and dumb the baby in a dumpster, like a girl did 3 months ago?
i'm so sorry that you see your children only as consequences. maybe one day one may live to tell you and show you that a mere consequence can't love. some thought that i was a consequence--you see, i was conceived out of wedlock, to a poor, uneducated, homeless 21 year old ---and guess what---this consequence speaking to you right now--was allowed to live and tell--to tell her mom and show her mom how much she could be Loved and adored by this consequence--i showed my mom that i Loved her in spite of the circumstances in which i was conceived--I Loved her in spite of the fact that she was hated/shunned/condemned by others--she looked this consequence straight in the eyes and Loved me too. and guess what else this consequence did--i went on to give my mom 4 grand-consequences--though she didnt live to see them (she's deceased now)--but i see them every day-- they are my 4 babies--yes, this consequence brought forth/gave birth to what some would condemn as only a consequence/punishment/torture. **to clarify** pregnancy is one of the consequences of sex...but it is also so, so much more.
First of all, sorry about your mom, and congrtulations on having 4 healthy children.
I see children as consequences if they're unwanted. Most of the time wanted children are loved and cared for. However, unwanted children are a different matter. So, they have to be dealt with. I'd rather give them a quick and painful death, insteal of throwing them into a dumpster and let them die a slow and painful death.
Your mother was able to care for you, love you and give you everything you deserved. Every child deserves that kind of love and care. I'd like to show you some statistics, and ask you a question afterwards, if that's ok with you.
From another abortion topic on another forum
Statistically: every year 2-6 percent of congenitally disabled children 12 and under commit suicide, and another 14-20 percent attempt it for the first time.
Of children in chronic children's wards, or those with congenital diseases, 87% wish that they'd never been born.
With foster children, the statistics are 52% that wish they had never been born, and 11% attempt suicide, and 6% succeed and 8% that do not attempt again before leaving foster care.
CPS official suicide study, US Health Department Study, all updated as of 2006.
According to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention's Annual Summary of Vital Statistics circa 2007, the suicide rate rose more than 18 percent in those 1 to 19 years old, from 2.2 per 100,000 in 2003 to 2.6 per 100,000 in 2004, in non-disabled, non-system children.
Now, I want to ask you: if these children tell you that they want to die, would you allow them to kill themselves? There are children who were given up after an unwanted pregnancy who wish that they'd been aborted, and some of them even call their parents selfish for not aborting them, since they only thought of themselves and their own feeling, but never of what the child may think or feel.
WHat's your answer on their feelings?
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11/19/2009 05:34 PM
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saucie Executive Member
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You know, imaginwhatever, you're a product of hate and lies.
You're nothing new, your mindset has always been around. You must de-humanize the child in the womb to come to the wretched conclusions you have, your views are as old as hate itself.
Comparing your view to a nazi's view of Jews is spot on...you can't abide by that because then you have to admit you're only the latest in the line of de-humanizing monsters.
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11/19/2009 05:39 PM
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sweet Executive Member
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Originally posted by: Imaginary
First of all, sorry about your mom, and congrtulations on having 4 healthy children.
I see children as consequences if they're unwanted. Most of the time wanted children are loved and cared for. However, unwanted children are a different matter. So, they have to be dealt with. I'd rather give them a quick and painful death, insteal of throwing them into a dumpster and let them die a slow and painful death.
Your mother was able to care for you, love you and give you everything you deserved. Every child deserves that kind of love and care. I'd like to show you some statistics, and ask you a question afterwards, if that's ok with you.
Now, I want to ask you: if these children tell you that they want to die, would you allow them to kill themselves? There are children who were given up after an unwanted pregnancy who wish that they'd been aborted, and some of them even call their parents selfish for not aborting them, since they only thought of themselves and their own feeling, but never of what the child may think or feel.
WHat's your answer on their feelings? as i said in a previous thread--2 of mine were "wanted" pregnancies and 2 were "unwanted" pregnancies. my answer about the two "unwanted pregnancies" are this: i hold each child daily, hug them, tell them i love them and can't imagine the missing piece in my heart had i not had them--i look at them and get sick at the thought of what i'd be missing without them--one calls me mom all day long--he hugs me and tells me he loves me--the other is an infant who is rarely arms length away from me. when she is, she cries for me--did you hear that? she cries for me(mommy). in abortion, the child cries for mommy and the cries go unheard. in abprtion, the child cries because of mommy instead of for mommy. no one can tell me these children have no feelings. inside the womb or outside.
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11/19/2009 05:41 PM
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Imaginary Member
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Originally posted by: saucie
You know, imaginwhatever, you're a product of hate and lies.
You're nothing new, your mindset has always been around. You must de-humanize the child in the womb to come to the wretched conclusions you have, your views are as old as hate itself.
Comparing your view to a nazi's view of Jews is spot on...you can't abide by that because then you have to admit you're only the latest in the line of de-humanizing monsters.
Can't you at least post one post without insulting me?
I care about life quality, not life quantity. And that's all I have to say to you for now, as you obviously haven't read the statistics I posted. Or you did, and didn't know an answer, so you decided to attack me once more.
Until you finally decide to read posts, I don't see any reason to bother with you anymore, as it's not possible to have a debate with you in any way.
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11/19/2009 05:47 PM
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Imaginary Member
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Originally posted by: sweet
as i said in a previous thread--2 of mine were "wanted" pregnancies and 2 were "unwanted" pregnancies. my answer about the two "unwanted pregnancies" are this: i hold each child daily, hug them, tell them i love them and can't imagine the missing piece in my heart had i not had them--i look at them and get sick at the thought of what i'd be missing without them--one calls me mom all day long--he hugs me and tells me he loves me--the other is an infant who is rarely arms length away from me. when she is, she cries for me--did you hear that? she cries for me(mommy). in abortion, the child cries for mommy and the cries go unheard. in abprtion, the child cries because of mommy instead of for mommy. no one can tell me these children have no feelings. inside the womb or outside.
I was kinda asking for your feelings for the children who wanted to commit suicide...
I read the thread, and I believe I answered there as well. Your answer is great: you love those children, care for them, and they love you in return with all they have, and that's the way things are supposed to be.
They're not supposed to be dumped into foster care, where they have a chance that they'll never get adopted, and that they never receive the love and care your children cherish so much.
Once the day comes where all children are happy and wanted and loved, I'll turn pro-life. Till that day comes, I do my best to stop creating more unwanted children, and I'll focus on existing children, as those are more important, and already born. First, I'd like to make those happy. Than I'll see what I can do to help fetuses.
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11/19/2009 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by: Imaginary
Statistically: every year 2-6 percent of congenitally disabled children 12 and under commit suicide, and another 14-20 percent attempt it for the first time.
Of children in chronic children's wards, or those with congenital diseases, 87% wish that they'd never been born.
With foster children, the statistics are 52% that wish they had never been born, and 11% attempt suicide, and 6% succeed and 8% that do not attempt again before leaving foster care.
CPS official suicide study, US Health Department Study, all updated as of 2006.
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That's the saddest thing I've ever read.
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11/19/2009 06:00 PM
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sweet Executive Member
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Originally posted by: Imaginary
I was kinda asking for your feelings for the children who wanted to commit suicide... that was me when my mom was killed--gee thanks Imaginary, guess i shouldve been aborted
They're not supposed to be dumped into foster care, where they have a chance that they'll never get adopted, and that they never receive the love and care your children cherish so much. that was me also in foster care, never got adoped, nor recieved Love that could ever compare to my moms--should i have been aborted?thanks.
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11/20/2009 01:37 PM
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Imaginary Member
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Originally posted by: sweet
Originally posted by: Imaginary
I was kinda asking for your feelings for the children who wanted to commit suicide... that was me when my mom was killed--gee thanks Imaginary, guess i shouldve been aborted
They're not supposed to be dumped into foster care, where they have a chance that they'll never get adopted, and that they never receive the love and care your children cherish so much. that was me also in foster care, never got adoped, nor recieved Love that could ever compare to my moms--should i have been aborted?thanks.
You knew your mother. You knew she cared for you, you knew you were loved, for a schort while. Many others do not have even that. That's makes a whole lot of difference. You wanted to commit suicide because you lost all you had. They want to kill themselves because their life is one big miserie.
That's what disturbs me about foster care. Adoption is all good and great, but so many children never get adopted. That's why I like sites like Yodavatar's so much: you know that your child will have a loving family, that it will be happy. Just giving it to foster care seems like the easy way out. "Oh, I gave birth. Now they'll do the rest." Chances are that the child will remain in the foster system till his/her 18th. And that's not a life I want for any of my children.
Gotta run now, will be back later to answer other people's posts.
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