 11/17/2009 05:28 PM
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Spinwubby Senior Executive
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Anti-abortion groups oppose Nevada personhood
By SANDRA CHEREB Associated Press Writer
Posted: 11/17/2009 12:08:20 PM PST
Updated: 11/17/2009 01:58:16 PM PST
CARSON CITY, Nev. - Abortion opponents said Tuesday the intention was good, but they will oppose a proposed ballot measure that seeks to define a person and override Nevada's abortion laws.
Leaders of Nevada Life, Nevada Eagle Forum, Nevada Families and the Independent American Party said that while the Nevada Personhood initiative may have been filed with good intent, it is vague and won't end abortion because of existing federal law.
"We feel it's counterproductive," said Janine Hansen, president of Nevada Eagle Forum.
Hansen said anti-abortion advocates have made strides through public education and outreach to curb the number of abortions, and fear the initiative would invite interpretation by the courts.
"When something is vague and undefined ... we can anticipate that it will be enjoined in the courts, and the courts will decide what it means," she said.
"It will end up giving unlimited power to the courts to perpetuate and expand the disastrous effects of Roe v. Wade and will interfere further with any legislative efforts to stop abortion," the groups' statement said.
The Nevada "personhood" initiative, filed by conservative Las Vegas activist Richard Ziser, seeks to define a person and extend due process rights to "everyone possessing a human genome" from the beginning of biological development through end of life.
Ziser, who successfully pushed a constitutional amendment earlier this decade defining marriage in Nevada as between a man and woman, did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment.
Planned Parenthood and the American Civil Liberties Union last week filed a legal challenge to the petition's description of effect in state district court in Carson City.
Among other things, the suit said the description of the initiative's purpose is misleading and violates a state law that limits referendum questions to a single subject.
Additionally, the suit argued the initiative would constitute an entire revision of the state constitution, as opposed to a simple amendment, and therefore cannot be pursued through the initiative process.
No hearing date has yet been set.
Voters in Colorado last year rejected a similar measure. This year, it is being pursued in at least seven states.
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11/17/2009 07:10 PM
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nancyu Executive VP
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Originally posted by: Spinwubby
Anti-abortion groups oppose Nevada personhood
By SANDRA CHEREB Associated Press Writer
Posted: 11/17/2009 12:08:20 PM PST
Updated: 11/17/2009 01:58:16 PM PST
CARSON CITY, Nev. - Abortion opponents said Tuesday the intention was good, but they will oppose a proposed ballot measure that seeks to define a person and override Nevada's abortion laws... blah, blah, blah, crap, bs, crap...
Those are not abortion opponents. They are folks like carolemarie pretending to be abortion opponents because they think it lends them credibility.
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11/17/2009 07:15 PM
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Spinwubby Senior Executive
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Originally posted by: nancyu
Those are not abortion opponents. They are folks like carolemarie pretending to be abortion opponents because they think it lends them credibility.
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"Leaders of Nevada Life, Nevada Eagle Forum, Nevada Families and the Independent American Party said that while the Nevada Personhood initiative may have been filed with good intent, it is vague and won't end abortion because of existing federal law."
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11/17/2009 07:32 PM
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Shenanigans VP
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I honestly don't think the personhood for the unborn movement is going to achieve much given the state of the current laws.
However, if it provides the unborn with more rights, I'm all for it.
Frankly, any group that claims to be pro-life and then turns around and tries to limit or restrict laws or programmes that assist the unborn, well, they truly need to re-address their claims.
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11/17/2009 07:43 PM
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nancyu Executive VP
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There is nothing vague about this initiative.
The amendment reads simply:
"In the great state of Nevada, the term 'person' shall apply to every human being."
http://www.all.org/article.php?id=12282
If these organizations oppose this, and makes statements such as this one:
...have made strides through public education and outreach to curb the number of abortions..
These are pro aborts in prolife wool. Faux lifers, PP prolifers, title them as you will, they are NOT prolife.
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All unborn children are personsAbortion is NOT legalRead the ConstitutionDefend the Child
Edited: 11/17/2009 at 08:11 PM by nancyu
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11/17/2009 08:13 PM
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nancyu Executive VP
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http://www.personhoodusa.com/p...ed-parenthood-and-aclu
Personhood Nevada Responds to Lawsuit Filed by Planned Parenthood and ACLU
Submitted by Keith on Fri, 11/13/2009 - 17:10
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* Nevada
Personhood Nevada recognizes the intense interest surrounding the historic civil rights initiative to amend the Constitution of the State of Nevada, the proposed Amendment reading as follows:
In the great state of Nevada, the term 'person' applies to every human being.
This Amendment, for the first time, would ensure all people's right to live. Article I Section 8 of the Nevada constitution states, "No person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law."
This Amendment codifies the inalienable right to life for everyone, young or old, healthy or ill, conscious or unconscious, born or unborn. It assures protection and dignity to our children, our infirmed, and our seniors.
Said Olaf Vancura, PhD, President of Personhood Nevada, "With slavery, oppressors denied the humanity of African Americans. With abortion, oppressors deny the humanity of our preborn. Sadly, those who profit by killing helpless persons are now attempting to kill this citizen-led initiative by and for the people of Nevada. The people of Nevada have the right to petition and vote on this Amendment."
Added Richard Ziser, Campaign Manager for Personhood Nevada, "The right to live is the fundamental civil right. It is God-given and not government-granted. It is not offered to the elite and denied to the least of these. This Amendment addresses the most important civil right, the right to live, without which all other civil rights are meaningless."
Contact: Richard Ziser 702-221-1613 rziser@earthlink.net
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11/17/2009 10:13 PM
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carolemarie Executive VP
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I agree with them. This law is to vague to be of any use.
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11/17/2009 10:23 PM
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Shenanigans VP
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Originally posted by: carolemarie
I agree with them. This law is to vague to be of any use.
My semi/luke warm opposition or cynicism of the "personhood for the unborn" movement is based on semantics.
"Person" is a legal term, it has no standing in biology, science or medicine. I think an individual should be granted rights based on their humanity not on a word the society of the day tweaks to meet their own standards.
However, I do give cred to the personhood movement if it is, indeed, changing perspectives the general public have of the unborn, and if that movement leads to a change in the aboriton law for the benefit of the unborn then yay, its done its job, even if the unborn is never officially recognised as this vaguely flavour of the month "person" title.
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The question then becomes in all of life's circumstance, "what is the loving thing to do?"
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11/18/2009 01:12 PM
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nancyu Executive VP
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Originally posted by: carolemarie
I agree with them. This law is to vague to be of any use.
"In the great state of Nevada, the term 'person' shall apply to every human being."
Now tell me how that statement is "vague".
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Edited: 11/18/2009 at 01:13 PM by nancyu
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11/18/2009 05:47 PM
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saucie Executive Member
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Originally posted by: nancyu
Originally posted by: carolemarie
I agree with them. This law is to vague to be of any use.
"In the great state of Nevada, the term 'person' shall apply to every human being."
Now tell me how that statement is "vague".
Don't hold your breath waiting for a cohernt answer.
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A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. - Edward R. Murrow The first liberal was satan.
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11/18/2009 07:44 PM
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Spinwubby Senior Executive
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Originally posted by: saucie
Don't hold your breath waiting for a cohernt answer.
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11/18/2009 07:52 PM
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SpitMcGee Executive Member
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Originally posted by: Spinwubby
Anti-abortion groups oppose Nevada personhood
The Nevada "personhood" initiative, filed by conservative Las Vegas activist Richard Ziser, seeks to define a person and extend due process rights to "everyone possessing a human genome" from the beginning of biological development through end of life.
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So he wants to extend "personhood" to blastocysts being kept in frozen storage?
Does this strike anyone as...extreme?
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11/19/2009 01:32 PM
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nancyu Executive VP
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Originally posted by: nancyu
http://www.personhoodusa.com/p...ed-parenthood-and-aclu
Personhood Nevada Responds to Lawsuit Filed by Planned Parenthood and ACLU
Submitted by Keith on Fri, 11/13/2009 - 17:10
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* Press Release
* Nevada
Personhood Nevada recognizes the intense interest surrounding the historic civil rights initiative to amend the Constitution of the State of Nevada, the proposed Amendment reading as follows:
In the great state of Nevada, the term 'person' applies to every human being.
This Amendment, for the first time, would ensure all people's right to live. Article I Section 8 of the Nevada constitution states, "No person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law."
This Amendment codifies the inalienable right to life for everyone, young or old, healthy or ill, conscious or unconscious, born or unborn. It assures protection and dignity to our children, our infirmed, and our seniors.
Said Olaf Vancura, PhD, President of Personhood Nevada, "With slavery, oppressors denied the humanity of African Americans. With abortion, oppressors deny the humanity of our preborn. Sadly, those who profit by killing helpless persons are now attempting to kill this citizen-led initiative by and for the people of Nevada. The people of Nevada have the right to petition and vote on this Amendment."
Added Richard Ziser, Campaign Manager for Personhood Nevada, "The right to live is the fundamental civil right. It is God-given and not government-granted. It is not offered to the elite and denied to the least of these. This Amendment addresses the most important civil right, the right to live, without which all other civil rights are meaningless."
Contact: Richard Ziser 702-221-1613 rziser@earthlink.net
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All unborn children are personsAbortion is NOT legalRead the ConstitutionDefend the Child
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