 11/19/2009 05:24 PM
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Spinwubby Senior Executive

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Originally posted by: saucie
Originally posted by: Augustine
stuck with child=punished with child
Exactly!
That's her dim view of children.
How sickening.
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Who pays when a child is born to people who never wanted them?
Open a newspaper or watch cable news for half an hour. You'll get a clue.
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 11/19/2009 05:29 PM
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saucie Executive Member

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Originally posted by: Spinwubby
Originally posted by: saucie
Originally posted by: Augustine
stuck with child=punished with child
Exactly!
That's her dim view of children.
How sickening.
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Who pays when a child is born to people who never wanted them?
Open a newspaper or watch cable news for half an hour. You'll get a clue.
Yeah...let's kill them...all of them, the dirty little unwanted buggers.
It really sucks to be you.......
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A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. - Edward R. Murrow The first liberal was satan.
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 11/19/2009 06:31 PM
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Spinwubby Senior Executive

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Originally posted by: Augustine
Why does it matter who pays for the child?
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I didn't mean "pays" in the financial sense.
How do you figure that pro-choice individuals are "constitutionally weak?"
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 11/19/2009 07:20 PM
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QueenJ Executive Member

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Originally posted by: saucie
Yeah, blood from dead babies can be a tough one. 
Actually, I don't have an aversion to any one particular type of blood. All blood from all sources generally makes me feel faint.
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Until every woman, everywhere is able to easily access safe, legal, private, affordable abortions, for whatever reason, at any time, on demand, without interference from outside parties and most importantly - without apology or shame.
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 11/19/2009 07:21 PM
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QueenJ Executive Member

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Originally posted by: Hosea
Originally posted by: QueenJ
Originally posted by: Hosea
I have never heard of a Pro-life pregnancy Center worker or volunteer change and become actively pro-choice.
That would be me.
So you have worked or volunteered at a pregnancy crisis center?
Yes, I have.
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Until every woman, everywhere is able to easily access safe, legal, private, affordable abortions, for whatever reason, at any time, on demand, without interference from outside parties and most importantly - without apology or shame.
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 11/19/2009 07:23 PM
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QueenJ Executive Member

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Originally posted by: sweet
what about the blood of a fetus?
What about it? I don't have an aversion to any one particular type of blood. All blood from all sources generally makes me feel faint.
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Until every woman, everywhere is able to easily access safe, legal, private, affordable abortions, for whatever reason, at any time, on demand, without interference from outside parties and most importantly - without apology or shame.
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 11/19/2009 07:43 PM
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Hosea Executive Member

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Originally posted by: QueenJ
Originally posted by: Hosea
Originally posted by: QueenJ
Originally posted by: Hosea
I have never heard of a Pro-life pregnancy Center worker or volunteer change and become actively pro-choice.
That would be me.
So you have worked or volunteered at a pregnancy crisis center?
Yes, I have.
What did you do at the pregnancy help center?
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Let the babies live and let the mothers love. Hosea 4:6 My people will suffer for lack of knowledge My ministry is Heaven's Gain www.heavensgain.com
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 11/19/2009 08:08 PM
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carolemarie Executive VP

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Originally posted by: saucie
Originally posted by: carolemarie
Sure, abortion is never a choice anyone wants to make. Offering a win-win solution is better than simply offering death or being stuck raising a child when you are not ready....
if you care about women, the prolife position is more logical.
Stuck?
Wow, you have some dim view of life. No wonder you're so confused and a proabort.
I never said it was my point of view Saucie. I said that women feel that way.
If you don't want to have a child, you view being forced to have on as being stuck with a child,,,ie Casey Anthony
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Carolemarie, God is Great all the time!
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 11/19/2009 08:25 PM
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Spinwubby Senior Executive

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Originally posted by: Augustine
Spinwubby, still grubby, still on ignore!
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You didn't even wait one minute before you posted that I was on ignore?
You are SO bad at this...
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 11/20/2009 01:31 PM
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Imaginary Member

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Augustine really is the worst of the bunch. Others are willing to debate their views, and are willing to protect them with all they have, which is something I respect with every fiber of my being. Augustine merely ignores every pro-choicer on the whole board.
Makes me wonder why he's here in the first place.
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If you can't beat them, beat them up.
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 11/20/2009 02:34 PM
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Shenanigans VP

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Originally posted by: Imaginary
Makes me wonder why he's here in the first place.
I wonder that about some of the pro-aborts...
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God is Love.
The question then becomes in all of life's circumstance, "what is the loving thing to do?"
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 11/20/2009 02:37 PM
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Shenanigans VP

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Originally posted by: Imaginary
I used to be pro-life, now I'm pro-choice because of reasons I have already mentioned.
Because of your friend who was raped and committed suicide?
So you went from being PL to being PC?
There are plenty of "pro-lifers" who accept abortion for rape, and not the other more frivilous situations. COuldn't you be one of them?
However, I haven't worked in an abortion clinic. Since I got 0 medical knowledge, I doubt I ever will.
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Hasn't stopped some people...
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God is Love.
The question then becomes in all of life's circumstance, "what is the loving thing to do?"
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 11/20/2009 04:10 PM
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nancyu Executive VP

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Originally posted by: Spinwubby
Originally posted by: saucie
Originally posted by: Augustine
stuck with child=punished with child
Exactly!
That's her dim view of children.
How sickening.
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Who pays when a child is born to people who never wanted them?
Open a newspaper or watch cable news for half an hour. You'll get a clue.
When a child is born to people who never wanted them, should they then be killed? No. Then why would we kill them before?
YOU are the one who should get a clue.
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All unborn children are personsAbortion is NOT legalRead the ConstitutionDefend the Child
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 11/20/2009 04:42 PM
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Spinwubby Senior Executive

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Originally posted by: Augustine
Is that to mean that only affluent spoiled children who are showered with love have anything to give the world?
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Who said anything about affluent children? (...And I know plenty of affluent people who weren't spoiled.)
Children should be showered with love, however.
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 11/20/2009 05:56 PM
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QueenJ Executive Member

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Originally posted by: Hosea
What did you do at the pregnancy help center?
I did clerical/office type work - made copies, organized and restocked brochures, put mailers in envelopes, etc.
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Until every woman, everywhere is able to easily access safe, legal, private, affordable abortions, for whatever reason, at any time, on demand, without interference from outside parties and most importantly - without apology or shame.
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 11/20/2009 06:55 PM
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Shenanigans VP

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Originally posted by: QueenJ
I did clerical/office type work - made copies, organized and restocked brochures, put mailers in envelopes, etc.
If you don't mind me asking, how did you go from that to supporting abortion on demand whenever and for whatever?
If you've already posted an answer, my apology, could you direct me to the post?
Such fence jumping intrigues me.
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God is Love.
The question then becomes in all of life's circumstance, "what is the loving thing to do?"
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 11/21/2009 11:00 PM
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Hosea Executive Member

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Originally posted by: QueenJ
Originally posted by: Hosea
What did you do at the pregnancy help center?
I did clerical/office type work - made copies, organized and restocked brochures, put mailers in envelopes, etc.
Did you work their or were you a paid employee? Did you start their because of your dedication to the pro-life cause or did you start their for some other reason? Did the people treat you poorly? Why did you change your mind?
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Let the babies live and let the mothers love. Hosea 4:6 My people will suffer for lack of knowledge My ministry is Heaven's Gain www.heavensgain.com
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 11/22/2009 05:41 PM
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QueenJ Executive Member

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Originally posted by: Shenanigans
If you don't mind me asking, how did you go from that to supporting abortion on demand whenever and for whatever?
If you've already posted an answer, my apology, could you direct me to the post?
Such fence jumping intrigues me.
Honestly, I came to a point in my life where the pro-choice side just made more sense to me than anything I had been taught or told growing up. There wasn't an OMG! life-altering experience that I went through - no horrific pregnancies that almost killed me, no finding myself pregnant while homeless or drug addicted or what-have-you and abortion turning out to be the best option for me, no brainwashing by some weird cult that worships abortion - just a quiet change of heart. And it wasn't like a rebellion against my mother either. My mother is very pro-life, as well as Christian, and I love her dearly and respect her greatly, even though I disagree with many of her views.
Hopefully, that answered your question. If not, feel free to ask more.
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Until every woman, everywhere is able to easily access safe, legal, private, affordable abortions, for whatever reason, at any time, on demand, without interference from outside parties and most importantly - without apology or shame.
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 11/22/2009 05:47 PM
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QueenJ Executive Member

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Originally posted by: Hosea
Did you work their or were you a paid employee? Did you start their because of your dedication to the pro-life cause or did you start their for some other reason? Did the people treat you poorly? Why did you change your mind?
I volunteered, so it was an unpaid position.
I would say that I did start volunteering there because of my dedication to the pro-life cause. I wanted to do something more than just speaking out about abortion through things like school debates/presentations and persuasive essays.
The people I interacted with at the CPC were very nice and warm, so no maltreatment of any kind happened.
Why did I change my mind? The short answer is that I had an honest-to-goodness change of heart that was not prompted by any tragic or harrowing circumstances.
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Until every woman, everywhere is able to easily access safe, legal, private, affordable abortions, for whatever reason, at any time, on demand, without interference from outside parties and most importantly - without apology or shame.
Edited: 11/22/2009 at 05:49 PM by QueenJ
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 11/22/2009 07:23 PM
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Shenanigans VP

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Queen, so were you Pro-Life because you had some kind of familial obligation or did you truly believe in, as the latest phrase is "foetal rights"?
Now, as a pro-choicer, do you have any conflicts, such as your knowledge of foetal development vs. the pro-choice argument that the ZEF is a blob?
Thanks for answering!
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God is Love.
The question then becomes in all of life's circumstance, "what is the loving thing to do?"
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