$10.00 says the kid's mother tried to hide the pregnancy to protect her boyfriend and the pregnancy wasn't discovered until it was too late. But would even the hard-core pro-lifers deny an abortion under these circumstances?:

11-Year-Old Gives Birth, Mother's Boyfriend Could Be The Father

Fox 19 News Ohio ^ | 2-5-10

Posted on Friday, February 05, 2010 10:18:31 AM by My Favorite Headache

(CINCINNATI) -- An 11-year-old girl has given birth in a case that has shocked social workers.

Hamilton County Jobs and Family Services spokesman Brian Gregg tells FOX19 that no one in their department can remember such a young girl giving birth. The girl was only 10 years old when she was impregnated.

The birth of the baby at University Hospital in November set off an investigation.

Gregg says the baby has been placed in a foster home and the mother is living with a relative.

"Our job is to keep the young girl and the baby as safe as possible," said Gregg.

Prosecutors suspect that the boyfriend of the girl's mother is the father of the baby.

Lockland police are interview Michael Chaffer, 40, in a Columbus jail, where he's being held on unrelated charges. He has not yet been charged in this case.

FOX19 has tried to seek comment with the police and the prosecutor's office, but they are not commenting on the case.

Sorry Spin, as sh1t as this situation it is, it doesn't justify the killing of the unborn child. Obviously, the 11 year old was able to maintain the pregnancy so people can't argue that her physical health was in any serious jepody. Well, they probably would have argued that nonsense had the pregnancy been discovered earlier.

The focus now has to be on the 11 year old's mental and emotional health. She was raped. The mother knew. Aborting that pregnancy would not have unraped her, nor given her a better mother.

As much as I'm sure all the little pro-aborts out there want to harp on about the dangers of pregnancy at such an age, it is completely possible, heck, even young girls without access to Western medical care have made it through.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...-girl-gives-birth.html

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God is Love.

The question then becomes in all of life's circumstance, "what is the loving thing to do?"

This is a dangerous assumption to make.

One may fall out of an airplane and survive, but that doesn't make it safe or advisable.

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Faith is a substitute for knowledge, as death is for a difficult life

Suppose a reckless driver hits a child and then stand's trial for the death. The defense, in an attempt to lessen the degree, brings to light that the child was the product of incestuous rape. Does this mean that the child's life has lesser value than that of one born of consentual sex?

Horrible things happen to people in life; but punish the guilty, not the innocent. Good character is formed during the hardships of youth, I can't imagine something like this happening to my daughter, but, I'd try to instill strength in her by loving and raising the baby as a gift from God, not teach her to feel sorry for herself and take the easy way out of life's difficulties. I won't say what I'd do to the man.

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At what point in human history did our society develop this gross underestimation of what our bodies can accomplish?

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God is Love.

The question then becomes in all of life's circumstance, "what is the loving thing to do?"

I think you have the wrong perspective. It is only with modern western medicine that pregnancy and childbirth doesn't result in significant maternal mortality and morbidity rates. The WHO reports from third world nations are eye-openers.

The majority of human history did not enjoy the safety some women do today.

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Faith is a substitute for knowledge, as death is for a difficult life

Edited: 02/05/2010 at 06:28 PM by Sigma

I think this is sort of the point. Whether or not you think it forms "good character", additional hardships can be avoided. As you say, we don't want to "punish" that girl any further either physically or mentally and denying it to her seems only to magnify the hurt done to this innocent girl.

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Faith is a substitute for knowledge, as death is for a difficult life

You are correct to an extent. But human history had children as young as 10 and even younger having babies, especially during periods of history when the life span was 20 - 30 years.

A lot of the problem with third world countries is a lack of nutrition and clean water. Those two things alone can drop the rates of infection and pregnancy complications. Add into that access to anti-botics and vaccinations and you're saving a whole lot of people. But instead of assisting these people with things like ABs and water, the west insists on throwing condoms at them and looking the other way when people are screaming from Darfur.

But perspective can always be wrong, no matter what stats we're looking at or what we're doing with those stats. If you asked me if breast cancer was common in 26 year olds I'd say it is, why? Because I've seen a lot of it. Reality is, though, its very rare, I just have the perspective that it's common because I see it everyday at my job.

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God is Love.

The question then becomes in all of life's circumstance, "what is the loving thing to do?"

Yes, 8-9-10 tear olds CAN have babies, but that doesn't mean they should. Such an act is incredibly dangerous, even if this girl "obviously did it". I hope the "parents" are throen in jail for life, and I hope that poor child manages to work through what happened to her.

It seems unlikely that it would be a regular occurance. Sexual maturity has been occurring earlier over recent years (likely due to nutrition) but this would not hold true for the majority of human history. In decades past the mean age of the beginning of female sexual maturity might be around 11-12, that number would likely increase the further back in history we go (obviously leveling off at some point).

In any event, sexual maturity in the vast majority of cases would not be complete anywhere near that point (the maturation process usually takes 4 years). The hormones generated by pregnancy (not to mention the physical changes) likely have life long effects upon her body since development was interrupted. At the very least a pregnancy on a young developing body cannot be a healthy thing.

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Faith is a substitute for knowledge, as death is for a difficult life

I'd support a c-section if the child is healthy and her baby is healthy, it's just as invasive at that age as a LTA.

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If tears could build a stair, and hopes could build a lane, I'd walk right up to heaven and bring you home again.-Rest in peace my Aidan. 10-22-08

Shout out to the redneck gals like me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...zk&feature=related

these cases MUST be handled on a case by case basis... IF the child is carrying well and no physical harm or mental (severe) is happening to her then it should be OK for her to continue said pregnacy for as long as possible... then a swift c-section when there is trouble , care being given to BOTH the mother and baby, to try and ensure Both lives are taken care of.
The child is an innocent in this Both children are, and there is no need to execute one to save the other if the gestating child is doing well. Mental health issues are going to be a concern no matter what trimester the pregnacy ends in, so why not o the best you can for BOTH lives and try to have as good an outome as possible?
If the pregnancy is not going well physically or mentally then it needs to terminate, if at all possible , then care must be given to the child that may perish, to try ans perserve dignity and with as little pain and suffering as possible.Always trying if at all possible to preserve BOTH lives.

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Mary
I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.
Satan’s successes are the greatest when he appears with the name of God on his lips.
Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
The devil's cleverest wile is to make men believe that he does not exsist.
Gerald C Treacy

I would point out the fact that pregnancy, in and of itself, is never fatal. There are complications that can arise that are sometimes a serious health risk, but as you pointed out, the mortality rate is only relatively high in places where modern medical care is not always readily available. In such places, abortion is not a viable solution, and the mortality rate as a result of abortion would be higher as well.

When a woman announces she is pregnant, we generally hear congratulations. I don't believe it would be a rational response to fear for her life/health upon learning she has conceived a child. The overwhelming majority of women will birth multiple offspring in their lives and experience "normal" pregnancies with no lasting, significant ill effects.

Most womens lives will be enriched by pregnancy, and failure to become a mother can lead to severe psychological problems. Of course, I understand that some women choose not to have children, and that's fine. It's just that. once she conceives, it's too late not to have a child, and I do not believe her desires are enough to justify killing it.

In the end, discussion of risks and maternal mortality rates generally ignore the fact that both mother and child can reasonably be expected to survive childbirth with little or no significant impact on the health of either, but the mortality rate for the offspring who are aborted approaches 100%.

While some women will die in childbirth, and some will lose their lives as a result of the decision to abort their pregnancy, and all these deaths will certainly be tragic, they still represent only a small percentage of pregnant women. The only way we even have an argument over which is "safer" is if we ignore the deaths caused by abortion, giving no significance to the lives of human beings not yet born.

Ironically, the bigger danger was when she was herself not yet born. All your concern for the young mother is admirable, but what of the life of her child in her womb? What of the "poor child" as yet unborn? If, at any point, it is determined that her pregnancy must be terminated in order to save her, I would have no problem with that provided every reasonable effort were made to save both children. I just can't bring myself to condone the intentional killing of one child based on speculation that it might improve the life of the other...

Abortion is probably not very good for them either (the mother or the child), but once she is pregnant, that can't be undone. I find it ironic that some of you viewed her life as insignificant prior to birth, just as you now view the life of her child. Had she been aborted, she would have been robbed of the very life you are now so concerned about. If she didn't survive the pregnancy (dying in childbirth, or as a result of abortion), she wouldn't lose the life she has already experienced, she would only lose any chance at future existence. This is the exact same loss as if her own mother had aborted, the only difference being that she would have lost more as a result of being aborted than if she died years after being born.

YES! God bless you, Mary. Both lives are precious.

in other words, pro-"choicers" care so much about women and their "rights", but only after a certain period of life (first 9 months).

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"Let the little children come to Me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

You are lying to yourself if you think that a pregnant 11 year old CHILD will NOT suffer significantly after all this.
But yeah, anything that justifies your agenda, right?

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'The 'pro-life' position is fundamentally disrespectful of women. It denies them the right to make decisions regarding their bodies, health and futures.'

Gay marriage isn't threatening my marriage.

Oh of course they would. The 11 year old CHILD is out of the womb and therefore HER life is less important than the fetus. Who cares if she has hardcore problems because of a pregnancy at such young age, who cares that CHILDREN shouldn't be and are not capable of going through such intricate and dangerous process, which gets even more dangerous when a body of a child that is nowhere near being mature herself is supposed to handle all that.

I'm sure the little girl is absolutely delighted that after being raped and therefore being robbed of her most important rights, she learns that her rights, wishes and life are irrelevant once again - because of a fetus.

I'm also sure that she's delighted about having swollend genitals or being kicked to her cervix repeatedly... what a treat this must be for the child!

But no, all that matters to them is the fetus. The girl's obviously irrelevant. It' stomach-turning, but it's exactly the spirit of 'pro-life'.

Rape victims who have been FORCED to continue a pregnancy resulting from rape consider the pregnancy as FURTHER VIOLATION of themselves. 'Pro-life' indeed.

The more you think about it, the more heinous this position becomes. If, right now, the only way to keep me alive for the next 40 weeks was to get physically attached to another human being AGAINST THEIR WILL, I would never be able to go through with it.
How would going through with it make me any different from a rapist? I could worsen the human being's pre-existing condition, cause new ones, even death - because you simply never know. I don't have the right to do that to anyone. No one does. Fetuses are no exception.

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'The 'pro-life' position is fundamentally disrespectful of women. It denies them the right to make decisions regarding their bodies, health and futures.'

Gay marriage isn't threatening my marriage.

GO GET her Galen! Can't wait to see your response to such idiocy...

Hope you and your family is doing well. Just amazing how "normal" you and your family are after being so violated and then calling yourself "prolife" on top of it! AMAZING! But you do know, all prolifers live Camolot lives where no hardship ever occurs and every pregnancy is wanted and planned and women are never raped.... LOL!

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Sue, Luke's mom
http://prenatalpartnersforlife...sAnencephaly_lucas.htm

I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is.

Edited: 02/09/2010 at 02:37 PM by lukesmom