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 03/11/2010 12:16 PM
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There are about 25 different reasons why women take the birth control pill. Those reasons are between the woman and her physician, and have ZERO to do with a pharmacist:

Lloyds pharmacy probe over pill refusal in Sheffield

The female employee at Lloyds pharmacy on Duke Street in Sheffield told Janine Deeley she could not give her the prescription on religious grounds.

Ms Deeley, 38, of Wybourn, was told she could pick up the pill the next day, when another staff member was on duty.

A Lloyds pharmacy spokeswoman said an investigation had begun.

'Very sorry'

Ms Deeley told BBC Look North: "The pharmacist beckoned me to a shielded-off area and said she was not prepared to give me the contraception because it was against her religion.

"I said it was not against my religion and I did not see why I should have to go to another chemist or come back at a later date for a different pharmacist to dispense it.

"I was angry and I was confused."

A Lloyds spokeswoman said: "Lloyds pharmacy is very sorry that Ms Deeley was refused supply of her prescribed contraceptive pill at our Duke Street pharmacy.

"We have launched an investigation into the incident and have been in contact with her to apologise for any distress and inconvenience caused."

The spokeswoman said she was not aware which religion the pharmacist followed.

An NHS Sheffield spokeswoman said: "We take patients' concerns very seriously, and while we have not yet received a complaint from Ms Deeley we would be happy to investigate the matter on her behalf if she gets in touch through our normal complaints system."
 03/11/2010 03:31 PM
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I take the pill for a hormone deficiency, and I would have made such a scene had some pharmacist refused to fill my prescription.

It's not our job to be an obstacle between others and their own free will. The tire guy can't refuse to mount my tires because he thinks I might drive over the speed limit, and I don't see how the pharmacist has any say in what prescriptions s/he will fill. It's not for them to determine whether use of a specific medication is morally acceptable in any given circumstance. The circumstances are actually none of their concern, their job being to simply fill prescriptions and hand out the medication prescribed by doctors who do know why it was prescribed.

It might be a sin to have sex under some circumstances, and it might be a sin in the eyes of some to attempt to prevent conception, but it's not my job as a Christian to be the sin police for everyone else. If I have moral qualms about the duties required on a job, perhaps I should not have taken that job.
 03/11/2010 07:39 PM
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The scarey part about this is, when will it end? Will they deny pain meds for fear of addicton? Can a Scientologist (and there are more around than you think) deny anti-depression meds based on religion? What about a Muslim pharmacist who denys capsules because they are made of pork?

It becomes very dangerous territory when you start allowing people to deny medicine based on their personal morality.
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I actually agree with you on this, Spinny, 100%. I dont' agree with birth control and in my professional capacity I refuse to hand it out or educate about it in a way that is "pro", however, with that said, it is part of my professional responsibilty, and just plain common sense to read the job description. I will not take jobs where giving out or educating about birth control in a pro way is expected. And when I have been asked, I simply inform the patient that I don't know enough about the subject to comment beyond how it works.

Concurrently, if there is a chance such actions may be part of my job, I inform my manager so they don't put me in that position.

Health professionals have the right not to have our religious or personal beliefs abused or violated. But with that said, we have a professional responsibility that we don't put ourselves in that situation in the first place.

Its people like them who run the risk that the govt and ruling bodies of the various health professions might say "right, we'll jjust do away with conscience clauses".

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Edited: 03/11/2010 at 07:58 PM by Shenanigans
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Shenanigans, do you mind if I ask what you do?
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Nurse.

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The question then becomes in all of life's circumstance, "what is the loving thing to do?"
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Me too, only for animals.

The issue of "birth control" is a pretty simple one on my side of the street, SPAY AND NEUTER!!

Edited: 03/13/2010 at 05:06 PM by Ana
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiCU46_lWeE

If I were a doctor or a nurse or a pharmacist, I would NOT help a woman to kill her own child at any stage of his or her life.

How inconvenient! I know, right!? I would FORCE her to walk down the street to the next pro abort pharmacy, or to Shenanigans, whichever is closer.

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Originally posted by: nancyu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiCU46_lWeE



If I were a doctor or a nurse or a pharmacist, I would NOT help a woman to kill her own child at any stage of his or her life.



How inconvenient! I know, right!? I would FORCE her to walk down the street to the next pro abort pharmacy, or to Shenanigans, whichever is closer.


Why is it always the people with no jobs who imagine they would find creative ways to fight evil from behind the pharmacy counter at Walgreens?

Nancyu, mild mannered shopping cart aluminum collector by day, terror to all evil doers for about 45 seconds on one cold and lonely Monday afternoon back in 1957...
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If I were a doctor or a nurse or a international secret agent or a lion tamer....
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Originally posted by: nancyu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiCU46_lWeE



If I were a doctor or a nurse or a pharmacist, I would NOT help a woman to kill her own child at any stage of his or her life.



How inconvenient! I know, right!? I would FORCE her to walk down the street to the next pro abort pharmacy, or to Shenanigans, whichever is closer.


How in the world do you know if they are taking it to "kill their own child" (the pill? Are you serious?), or to regulate their cycles (friend did this to GET pregnant, interestingly enough), or too stop bleeding issues or to clear up acne or 100 million other reasons someone may take it? Do you ask every woman who enters the pharmacy if the pill is because she wants to have sex without babies??

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Originally posted by: Ana

Originally posted by: nancyu



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiCU46_lWeE







If I were a doctor or a nurse or a pharmacist, I would NOT help a woman to kill her own child at any stage of his or her life.







How inconvenient! I know, right!? I would FORCE her to walk down the street to the next pro abort pharmacy, or to Shenanigans, whichever is closer.




How in the world do you know if they are taking it to "kill their own child" (the pill? Are you serious?), or to regulate their cycles (friend did this to GET pregnant, interestingly enough), or too stop bleeding issues or to clear up acne or 100 million other reasons someone may take it? Do you ask every woman who enters the pharmacy if the pill is because she wants to have sex without babies??


That's just it. She doesn't care. She lives for the pats on the back she gets from her fellow kooks who applaud her devotion to the baybeeees. She's no real danger, however, since she hasn't actually left her home in 60 years.
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Originally posted by: nancyu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiCU46_lWeE



If I were a doctor or a nurse or a pharmacist, I would NOT help a woman to kill her own child at any stage of his or her life.



How inconvenient! I know, right!? I would FORCE her to walk down the street to the next pro abort pharmacy, or to Shenanigans, whichever is closer.


Yeah, I keep a suction machine in my back pack for just such occasions.

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Originally posted by: EpicFailguy

If I were a doctor or a nurse or a international secret agent or a lion tamer....


Well, nothing's stopping you.

Maybe laws around ownership of wild animals, but still, if you really want it you will find a way.

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Originally posted by: Ana

Me too, only for animals.



The issue of "birth control" is a pretty simple one on my side of the street, SPAY AND NEUTER!!


I had a tubal done..does that count?

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 03/13/2010 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by: BossMomma

I had a tubal done..does that count?

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Hey, remember when Nancy said that you were irresponsible for not having more than three children?

It turns out that she has two:

Originally posted by: nancyu

On the contrary, I'm pretty pleasant in real life when I'm not dealing with pro aborts and PP prolifers, I rarely drink, and I am well loved by my family (including BOTH of my beautiful children) and friends (BH is not counted among them). You might be right on the "crappy wife" part, but he was also a "crappy husband" so I guess we're even.


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 03/13/2010 11:28 PM
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Yeah, Boss, shame, just think, if you'd popped out a few more you could use the name "Octomomma".

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 03/13/2010 11:32 PM
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I'm just the opposite Spinny, if I worked in a hardware store and you came in looking for a rope to hang yourself I'd sell you a three legged stool to boot. No I wouldn't.. but that was fun saying that just then.

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 03/14/2010 12:11 AM
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Originally posted by: leftsnemesis

I'm just the opposite Spinny, if I worked in a hardware store and you came in looking for a rope to hang yourself I'd sell you a three legged stool to boot. No I wouldn't.. but that was fun saying that just then.

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 03/14/2010 12:17 AM
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I think it isn't the pharacologist job to do anything but dispence the medicine they are told to dispense.
I think the store could decide it won't fill birth control scripts, but the employee doesn't get to decide what the company does. It violates the whole idea of free enterprise.

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