http://www.realclearpolitics.c...pass_health_care.html

I wonder who she prays to regarding her support of destruction of life in the womb.

A classic case of a "cafeteria catholic."

Kinda like your pope and his complicity in the abuse cover ups, right?

That so true and I don't know why they don't kick people out that don't listen to the pope. O guess she don't think she need the pope to be her daddy and tell her what to do like the rest of us is she really Catholick at all even? I just don't get that if she is she must want to go to hell or maybe she gonna repent about it every night then she be ok long as she don't die in the morning but I guess as long as a preist get there before she die to hear her confession then she would still go to heaven I think right?

I don't know anything about any "complicity," but even if true, it's not like that at all.

The pope has not and never will go against dogma.

If a pope had personal failings, that would be different than preaching against the teachings of the church.

I don't fault Nancy Pelosi for any of her personal failings, just for openly backstabbing our Church and her teachings.

I don't think the pope would ever do that because hes a holy man and if he wasn't he wouldn't be the pope see? You must not be a christian or at least you not catholick maybe a mormon or something that don't like catholicks. You don't know what your talking about and everybody can see that and besides its a sin to say something like that anyhow.

How come the pope don't kick her out because she won't listen and do what God says anyhow? Thats not right I don't think.

You know, I don't really have any problems with people polluting the Catholic faith in their private lives, but making it public that they've twisted the doctrine our Church sits on, giving people the wrong impression, well, its just rather annoying frankly.

Oh well, end of the day she's got to answer to a Higher Authority than the American people.

I'd be scared sh1tless if I were her.

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God is Love.

The question then becomes in all of life's circumstance, "what is the loving thing to do?"

So, you have information we don't?

Please to be sharing it.

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God is Love.

The question then becomes in all of life's circumstance, "what is the loving thing to do?"

Dr. Michael Savage said earlier this evening on his radio show that Pelosi prayed to St. Joseph Stalin.

Pelosi is like many so-called Catholics who have seized upon the Catholic teaching on the primacy of conscience to JUSTIFY their rejection of what the Church teaches about abortion.

In a 2006 interview with Eleanor Clift, Pelosi regretted that her family is "very pro-life" and would "like it if I were not so vocally pro-choice." But, she proclaimed, "To me it isn't even a question. God has given us a free will."

In response her own bishop remarked:



See: http://www.lifenews.com/state4731.html


As a wise man once said, "Freedom is power to do as one ought, not license to do as one pleases."

Edited: 03/20/2010 at 07:28 AM by LexIcon

Nasty Pelosi is a fraud and prays to a saint to pass this murdering pro-abortion
health care bill?!

Are we (i.e. pro-choicers) all going to hell?

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Until every woman, everywhere is able to easily access safe, legal, private, affordable abortions, for whatever reason, at any time, on demand, without interference from outside parties and most importantly - without apology or shame.

Edited: 03/20/2010 at 11:01 AM by QueenJ

Not necessarily (from our perspective).

But someone of the faith who preaches heresy and who supports the injustice of abortion is in a grave situation.

Nancy Pelosi "sold her soul" for money and power.

Edited: 03/20/2010 at 03:58 PM by B0zo

I'm in no position to make judgements either way, that's God's business.

Though, teaching, from the RCC which is based on scripture, determines that abortion is a grevious mortal sin, resulting in damnation for those who engage in it.

Though, for a sin to be "mortal", there must be three factors.

It must be a grave matter, these are mentioned in the bible as murder, fornication, adultery, witchcraft. A grave matter is something that offends God.

These "grave" matters are based on offences against the 10 commandments.

Second, it must be committed with full knowledge that it is wrong, say, a Catholic having an abortion knows abortion is wrong and they're at a greater risk of the eternal bonfire than say an athiest or non-Catholic. However, if one believes abortion is wrong, regardless of their faith, but has one anyway, they are on the same standing as a Catholic who aborts.

Thridly, there must be full consent. So a 12 year old who has an abortion is exempt, unless, it is known to God that she aware of all the information and participates fully.

What makes Pelosi's actions mortal, is while she has not had an abortion (that we know of) she supports it, and is praising it, and in this case, praying for a bill that will fund it. She has co-operated in the sin of abortion on a mass scale. Even if this bill doesn't pass, or the abortion funding is removed, she has achieved enough attention for her actions to be leaving a nice big blob of blackness on her soul.

Her actions are the same as say a Catholic mother who knows abortion is wrong, and accepts abortion is grevious, but still gets her 12 year old an abortion.

Long and short of it, I accept that chances are pro-choicers who do not personally gain for themselves or others, or who promote abortion, will be spending a long time in Purgatory.

Those who obtain abortions, coerece abortions, perform abortions publically support abortion, they're probably not going to fare too well, I pray for the conversation of their souls before its too late.

Its not too late for Pelosi either. The Church will welcome her home if she repents. There is nothing God can't forgive. But because her sin is so public, so must her repentance.

People like Pelosi and other pro-choice "catholics" are misusing a part of teaching the discusses matters that we must not violate our conscience. However, it must be a moral, well informed conscience that matches the teachings of God.

Their logic to state that the Catholic Church welcomes pro-aborts is based on that "my conscience says abortion is okay".

Well, consider this, Hitler's conscience said it was okay to massacre the Jews in the millions. Hitler's conscience was obviously not morally or well informed and it contraindicated the teachings of the life giving God.

The same applies here, Pelosi and other pro-abortion "catholics" have twisted the concept of informed conscience to include things are that morally debase and against God.


You might not view abortion as murder, Queen, and you may place no value on the life of the unborn, and you're certainly in your right to do so as you have freedom of will and choice, but God intended us to use our freedom of choice to make the right choice, and the God of Life, the Supreme Creator isn't too happy about people killing His children and devaluing them.

But really, I could be full of sh1t, us Christians and Catholics could totally have the wrong end of the stick abut abortion, about everything. But what then? I die and go to an afterlife and find a female pro-abortion deity? What's she going to say? Well, probably something along the lines of "Well, you annoyed a lot of people, prevented people accessing abortion et al, and quite frankly, were spouting a lot of BS, but you meant well, and you were trying to help people, so you can come into my liberal heaven, have fun dancing around the phallic shaped may pole".

Or, the alternative: what happens when you die, or any other pro-abortion individual, and they find a God who hates abortion. You think He's going to "buy it" when you tell Him "well, my conscience said it was okay".

Or, we could all just end up maggoty corpses in boxes, in which case, nothing the heck matters so why bother living to any moral code anyway?

The fun's in trying to figure out what's what, and hoping we're right. Me, I'm not too concerned if I'm wrong, because I don't support the killing of anyone and I haven't killed anyone, not a lot of deities are going to get their panties in a bunch over my disgust towards the destruction of innocent human life.

Well, maybe the Allah terrorist's follow. That could cause problems.

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God is Love.

The question then becomes in all of life's circumstance, "what is the loving thing to do?"

What do men get in this heaven? Seventy promiscuous babes?

Edited: 03/20/2010 at 05:06 PM by B0zo

Can't you Catholics get together and stop her from praying in a way you disapprove of? I mean, we can't have people praying however, to whomever, and for whatever they choose, right? Can't you guys get God to smite her or something?

Edited: 03/20/2010 at 05:49 PM by EpicFailguy

You're thinking of Muslim heaven, I believe. Catholics men probably get prepubescent little boys or something.

(nb4 butthurt Catholics objecting now because I "mocked" their religion, even though they didn't object to the obvious mocking of the Muslim religion, phucking hypocrites can dish it out, but can't take it, amirite?)

Whether or not Catholic "phucking hypocrites" can take it, it isn't necessarily "mocking of the Muslim religion" to posit that Muslims are rewarded witn "Seventy promiscuous babes." See: 72 black-eyed virgins: Muslim debate on the rewards of martyrs Also see: Does the Koran really promise Islamic martyrs 72 virgins?

Edited: 03/20/2010 at 06:40 PM by LexIcon

I saw a comic strip in the paper not that long ago, where some terrorist got to heaven and was lead to his 70 virgins.

They were pimply faced computer nerds playing WOW.

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God is Love.

The question then becomes in all of life's circumstance, "what is the loving thing to do?"

The major thing that seperates Catholics from other faiths, particulary other Christian denominations is we have doctrine and particular teaching.

If you're not going to toe the party line, go find a Christian sect that will let you do your own thing, Lord knows there's plenty out there.

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God is Love.

The question then becomes in all of life's circumstance, "what is the loving thing to do?"

Oh boo hoo, someone said a bad thing about Catholism, what ever shall I do?

You might wanna go back and see I referred to the Allah terrorists adhere to.

Not the Allah normal, peaceful everyday Muslims refer to.

If I was mocking anything, it was the idiots who adhere to a twisted version of a major religion.

Of course, its more fun to just make yourself out to look like a sad little man, isn't it?

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God is Love.

The question then becomes in all of life's circumstance, "what is the loving thing to do?"

Edited: 03/20/2010 at 06:55 PM by Shenanigans